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AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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AliceMaforethought · 20/08/2025 18:13

Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/08/2025 09:45

Sometimeswinning · 23/08/2025 09:35

I mean I’ve literally put it in my previous post. His age. And why the post was able to be shared so widely?

He married someone younger than himself and Robinson put it on his SM which has a lot of followers.

Sometimeswinning · 23/08/2025 09:46

pointythings · 23/08/2025 09:25

That attitude of thinking there was anything to nosy about is exactly the problem. People looking for trouble will find it, and will be led by Tommh Ten Names.

It’s been posted on mumsnet all over instagram or TikTok. Local papers and Facebook. Why are you even commenting if you have zero interest or curiosity? (Aka nosy)

User32459 · 23/08/2025 09:52

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/08/2025 18:45

You think the governments of the UK are trying make white British a minority because they're addicted to cheap labour?

The policy of prolonged mass immigration was a chronically bad mistake, cheap labour was part of it, at least for the Tories, to keep wages down and raise house prices. Also to artificially inflate growth GDP, while per capita we all get poorer.

Saucery · 23/08/2025 09:52

I'll hazard a guess that it's being commented on because it's been twisted from "my family playing in the park" to "Black man with White children". That's why I'm commenting anyway - the deliberate cynical twist to suggest there is something dodgy going on. Yaxley-Lennon wanted to bring it to wider attention. He's succeeded and many people are pointing out how he's twisted it into something nasty. Because that's what racists like to do.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 23/08/2025 09:53

User32459 · 23/08/2025 09:52

The policy of prolonged mass immigration was a chronically bad mistake, cheap labour was part of it, at least for the Tories, to keep wages down and raise house prices. Also to artificially inflate growth GDP, while per capita we all get poorer.

That wasn't the point I was making, I know the Tories imported cheap labour.

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ForWittyTealOP · 23/08/2025 09:59

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Why would that matter?

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Given that 82% of the population is currently white British, if that ever happens it will take many generations and nobody alive today needs to be concerned about it.

pointythings · 23/08/2025 10:00

Sometimeswinning · 23/08/2025 09:46

It’s been posted on mumsnet all over instagram or TikTok. Local papers and Facebook. Why are you even commenting if you have zero interest or curiosity? (Aka nosy)

I am not interested in this man. I am interested in and concerned by the fact that his happy family video has been hijacked by a well known racist campaigner, and that this man's life has been made hell, because he is black. If that doesn't worry you, give your head a wobble.

ForWittyTealOP · 23/08/2025 10:05

Sometimeswinning · 23/08/2025 09:46

It’s been posted on mumsnet all over instagram or TikTok. Local papers and Facebook. Why are you even commenting if you have zero interest or curiosity? (Aka nosy)

I've not seen the video. I don't get racist stuff popping up on social media. I just read about it in the paper. And I'm not nosey, I'm disgusted and alarmed by the rise of the far right and the normalisation of racist rhetoric/its rebranding as "common sense", "ordinary caution" or "what we're all really thinking".

Anyone getting that video on their social media should be thinking about why algorithms have directed it to them.

Chickenbone123 · 23/08/2025 10:15

PandoraSocks · 23/08/2025 09:03

Apologies. As a pp said, I think it is because you call him "Tommy". Most non-supporters call him Robinson or Yaxley-Lennon etc. Or scum of the earth.

Thanks, I just type the shortest thing. Sometimes TR but I couldn’t be bothered with capitalising yesterday.

So I did go digging yesterday. Stole my partners tablet and went on X. There are two videos. So someone stole and doctored it.

I can’t find the original-original.
All I can see is the racist doctored version and the guardian link one.
There’s got to be an original-original because the guardian one doesn’t line up with the doctored one.

They must have used AI maybe.

I feel bad the guy is 35! I said 50 eek 😦

I am still not understanding how this guy lost his job off this. The racist version is super blurry and it’s not identifiable who’s in it.

noggla · 23/08/2025 10:15

There is a lot of racism and ignorance.

I live in a city where Asians have been living there since the 1950s. During Brexit voting time, the elderly were saying they are going to vote for Brexit due to the Asians. Erm, they have been in the city longer than we have been in the EU - was then known as the EEC. I hate this ignorance

From my experience, its the older ones that are more racist than the younger ones. Though seeing more young being racist.

Also the non-white races are racists towards other groups. Muslims offend Hindus etc. Also my friend's last store manager for a shop before she left is Muslim and everybody he recruited was Muslim.

Phobiaphobic · 25/08/2025 00:04

frozendaisy · 20/08/2025 18:25

There are studies out that the rise in extremism online is from a very small number of vocal accounts.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people in the UK love the multicultural land we all call home.
Yes there are pockets of evil tossers, and yes it seems that society has made it more permissible apparently to be able to spout poison with no consequences.

The racism was always there it is just, at the moment, allowed out of the box, but we will get it shut back in somehow.

You're completely wrong. Nearly half of all people in the UK want no more new migrants plus removal of more recent arrivals:

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52704-is-there-public-support-for-large-scale-removals-of-migrants

suburburban · 25/08/2025 10:21

Yes I think a lot of people have had enough.

we were never asked if we wanted this amount of immigration to the UK in the first place

pointythings · 25/08/2025 10:32

Phobiaphobic · 25/08/2025 00:04

You're completely wrong. Nearly half of all people in the UK want no more new migrants plus removal of more recent arrivals:

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52704-is-there-public-support-for-large-scale-removals-of-migrants

That's some very selective quoting from the link on your part - the public want this because they believe that most immigration is illegal.

And when YouGov asked more nuanced questions, the responses changed dramatically.

So the conclusion is that many people in the UK believe the lies spouted by racists, which means they need education. Like many on this thread.

But nice try.

Phobiaphobic · 25/08/2025 11:02

pointythings · 25/08/2025 10:32

That's some very selective quoting from the link on your part - the public want this because they believe that most immigration is illegal.

And when YouGov asked more nuanced questions, the responses changed dramatically.

So the conclusion is that many people in the UK believe the lies spouted by racists, which means they need education. Like many on this thread.

But nice try.

You clearly didn't read down to the bottom. The conclusion was: "So while it is clear that legal migration dramatically outweighs illegal migration, that is not to say that if only the public could be made aware of this fact then immigration would disappear as an issue.

After all, Britons tend to think that legal immigration has been too high as well, and the concerns that many people have extend beyond the economic terms in which immigration is typically justified – anyone seeking to address the issue will need to engage with deeper anxieties about identity, integration, and the perceived erosion of shared national values."

So my response to the poster saying 'the vast, vast, vast majority of people in the UK love the multicultural land we all call home' very much still stands.

But nice try.

pointythings · 25/08/2025 11:24

Phobiaphobic · 25/08/2025 11:02

You clearly didn't read down to the bottom. The conclusion was: "So while it is clear that legal migration dramatically outweighs illegal migration, that is not to say that if only the public could be made aware of this fact then immigration would disappear as an issue.

After all, Britons tend to think that legal immigration has been too high as well, and the concerns that many people have extend beyond the economic terms in which immigration is typically justified – anyone seeking to address the issue will need to engage with deeper anxieties about identity, integration, and the perceived erosion of shared national values."

So my response to the poster saying 'the vast, vast, vast majority of people in the UK love the multicultural land we all call home' very much still stands.

But nice try.

Oh, I agree that on a population level Brits tend towards the xenophobic. That's the island mentality and it has always been a thing.

But that doesn't mean that your quote from the survey wasn't highly, highly selective - the picture is considerably more complex than you implied.

suburburban · 25/08/2025 12:59

Phobiaphobic · 25/08/2025 11:02

You clearly didn't read down to the bottom. The conclusion was: "So while it is clear that legal migration dramatically outweighs illegal migration, that is not to say that if only the public could be made aware of this fact then immigration would disappear as an issue.

After all, Britons tend to think that legal immigration has been too high as well, and the concerns that many people have extend beyond the economic terms in which immigration is typically justified – anyone seeking to address the issue will need to engage with deeper anxieties about identity, integration, and the perceived erosion of shared national values."

So my response to the poster saying 'the vast, vast, vast majority of people in the UK love the multicultural land we all call home' very much still stands.

But nice try.

I’m sure other nations would feel the same with the amount of immigration of late.

it is changing the demographics and culture of the UK.

SleeplessInWherever · 25/08/2025 13:13

suburburban · 25/08/2025 10:21

Yes I think a lot of people have had enough.

we were never asked if we wanted this amount of immigration to the UK in the first place

Would you have preferred a referendum? They usually go really well.

How many increments of 100’s of immigrants would you like to be re-asked at?

Are there any other political decisions you’d like to have a say in, or are the rest of them all actually the government’s job?

suburburban · 25/08/2025 13:40

SleeplessInWherever · 25/08/2025 13:13

Would you have preferred a referendum? They usually go really well.

How many increments of 100’s of immigrants would you like to be re-asked at?

Are there any other political decisions you’d like to have a say in, or are the rest of them all actually the government’s job?

The government isn’t doing a very good job imo and they haven’t listened and not just this particular government

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 25/08/2025 13:42

suburburban · 25/08/2025 10:21

Yes I think a lot of people have had enough.

we were never asked if we wanted this amount of immigration to the UK in the first place

We had a general election last year. The Reform Party stood on an anti-immigration platform. The vast majority of voters chose not to vote for them.

Yes, there is a very vocal minority of racist far right voters who like to make their feelings known on social media. But for all their noise and ostentatious flag waving, they did not manage to persuade the majority of the British people that immigration was the cause of all of our problems.

suburburban · 25/08/2025 13:45

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 25/08/2025 13:42

We had a general election last year. The Reform Party stood on an anti-immigration platform. The vast majority of voters chose not to vote for them.

Yes, there is a very vocal minority of racist far right voters who like to make their feelings known on social media. But for all their noise and ostentatious flag waving, they did not manage to persuade the majority of the British people that immigration was the cause of all of our problems.

I’m not saying it necessarily is and I wouldn’t vote for reform but I would like to see it drastically reduced and for the people already here to be better utilised

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 25/08/2025 13:55

suburburban · 25/08/2025 13:45

I’m not saying it necessarily is and I wouldn’t vote for reform but I would like to see it drastically reduced and for the people already here to be better utilised

The point I was making is that people had a choice, and they chose to prioritise other things.

pointythings · 25/08/2025 14:02

suburburban · 25/08/2025 12:59

I’m sure other nations would feel the same with the amount of immigration of late.

it is changing the demographics and culture of the UK.

The demographics would be considerable worse without immigration.
As for culture - it depends what we're talking about. Requiring people to speak English - that's a fair ask, but you'll need to make it possible by funding language classes for immigrants. Adhering to UK law - I'm fine with that. I don't feel religious law, whether Islamic or Jewish, should have any standing at all here. What else though? Never speaking your own language outside your house because Brits are scared to hear 'foreign' spoken? You need to treat very carefully with your demands.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 25/08/2025 14:07

suburburban · 25/08/2025 13:40

The government isn’t doing a very good job imo and they haven’t listened and not just this particular government

It's not a simple issue. We are now reliant on immigration for the NHS and universities for example. In order to cut down on immigration, we need to invest in training and recruiting British people but there isn't money for investment. Additionally, the NHS has millions on waiting lists preventing people from working - it needs investment. Plus the population is aging and the amount of tax payers are shrinking. Plus importing cheap labour keeps wages low.