AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

More deflection. 30 miles outside Kathmandu IS fairly remote. It's remote pretty much past Bakhtapur.

Still doesn't explain the relevance of you obtaining forged papers in Nepal means that loads of people obtained forged posters that got them into the UK. Entirely different things.

And no Google didn't tell me. I know a lot of first hand information about wars and disasters around the world.

Anyway, fun though this is, I will be waiting for you to get back to the salient facts - you claimed to know several staff and patients who travelled to the UK on forged papers. That's illegal. And also amazing given how unlikely it is that anyone would know that many people who got away with it and then also got asylum after entering on illegal papers. Although they also didn't, because the arrived with visas and claimed asylum. Which of those stories was true? You told two. I'll be waiting for you to confirm threat, not deflect more.

The refugees from Ukraine were invited guests from a legal route. They were mainly women and children fleeing war. I'd have no issue with opening up other legal routes for genuine asylum seekers with families prioritised at numbers we can cope with. But this madness has to stop now.

The incentives are they know they'll get put up in a hotel, get an allowance, get all their meals paid for, NHS, free dentistry, a phone, playstations and whatever else. If their claim is rejected then all the liberal lawyers, judges, legal aids and human rights brigade will just keep at it until they're granted asylum.

We need to be building bases now where they can be detained. MOD must have bases anyway or offshore.

PlayStations 😂😂😂

You’re right. Imagine being in the human rights brigade and believing in human rights. Shocking.

Absolutely, they did what they needed to do to travel as a family.

Liberals never care about the human rights of victims of crime though. Only criminals.

Ukrainians indeed had access to safe routes, the majority of refugees do not. It's not illegal to claim asylum using irregular means to reach the UK.

Incentives, basic accomodatio, food and health? Those other claims are just rubbish

Offshore detention camps? Where? How much will it cost and who will staff it?

Kindly, what are you on about?

Because it looks like you’re claiming all asylum seekers are criminals. Which is a bold claim.

Ukrainians indeed had access to safe routes, the majority of refugees do not.

The majority simply aren't refugees. We had thousands turning up in boats from Albania. They've passed through dozens of safe countries.

Even Macron thinks we’re crazy, and why does France have any incentive to stop these boats? They’re never going to stop them. The UK is France’s Rwanda.

The majority have their claim granted.

Refugees do not have to claim asylum in the first safe country.

Where are you building detention camps?

They've paid human traffickers money to break into our country. They could be classed as criminals for doing that.

And i'd support the opening up of more safe routes (for numbers we can sustain) in exchange for stopping this unsustainable madness.

I was sharing a lived experience of exiting an unstable country using false papers.
Depends on your definition of remote, my definition is an area where a standard vehicle cannot access.

Not suprising at all, seeing as I work close to Heathrow. And as I work with disabled children, whose parents were desperate to get out of their country of origin as they couldn't access the medication and treatment their child desperately needed.

But this back and forth has derailed what is a useful discussion, so I think we should leave this here and agree to disagree, people are probably pretty fed up of this back and forth about a minor detail.

If they’re a refugee, their asylum has been granted.

Which means they’re allowed to be here, and that’s been recognised by the relevant legal channel.

Even if they get refused they'll just keep appealing till we let them stay. If they've chucked their passport in the sea there's no point trying to return them so again they just get granted.

France accommodates more asylum seekers than the UK

Because their nation of origin won’t let them in without their passport? Stop it, please 😂

And you have data to back up your claims?

France is more than double the size of the UK.

If we've no idea who they are or where they're from, how can we return them?

We didn’t really get Brexit though, did we.

Asylum seekers per capita

The NHS certainly didn’t get their alleged money out of it, no.

You’re right. We’ll have to keep them all and house them in our gardens.

We don't have an 'open border policy' and there's no 'invasion' happening.

If you think Tory austerity was 14 years of liberalism, you're grossly misinformed. Asylum seekers get £50 a week and Charles is a billionaire with several palaces. Can you spot the difference?

What do you mean? We left the EU. Of course we got Brexit.
Oh - you mean you didn’t get the promised unicorns? Nope. They were lies.