AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

So the many claims that the reason most people entering via small boats are men are because they come over and then send for the women to come over after don't hold up do they!

The visa's used aren't genuine!

I have just triple checked what I already knew.

An airline carrying an undocumented passenger into the UK is fined £2000 per passenger and must return the passenger to the country from which they travelled. Carriers Liability Act 1987. There is similar legisation in place for commercial boat carriers. And fines of up to £10,000 for anyone found to be carrying an undocumented migrant clandestinely even if they didn't know the person was there.

So @Bushmillsbabe - how did these several staff and patients do something which is impossible to do? Or are you saying that you are employing and treating undocumented migrants who have actually arrived illegally? Because that would be the only way they arrived without having a visa on any form of commercial transport.

How long ago was this?

Farage and the like are whipping up hysteria. There won't be any whites left in 5 years! We're being invaded! The fabric of society is breaking down! We're bankrupt! No go areas! Women aren't safe! Protect our kids! It's lawless! Nothing works! Exodus! Rapists and paedophiles! Soon it will be too late!

Vote Reform! You need a feckless shyster and his teenage councillors to sort everything out!

Yep, it's a thing. The Thai/Cambodia visa run was very popular in my day

Well, yes. Very probably. And the reason they hold the views they do is because they're on shit wages in areas where there are few opportunities for decent jobs. Having to share an already small slice of pie is not much fun. These won't be people sitting on their arses all day, they'll be likely working and not being able to make ends meet.

if the bleeding heart liberals had as much compassion for the working class who have been shafted for the last 40 odd years as they do for asylum seekers and foreign workers, this country would look very different.

We are talking about the UK, not India or Nepal! Your claims are getting more and more outrageous. So your staff and pateinets are actually illegal immigrants who came to the UK on forged papers? And it wasn't noticed? And you know this? And you haven't reporetd them?

You claimed it was possible to travel legitimately to the UK without a visa, and claim asylum when you arrive. That is not possible. So now you are claiming they are all arriving on forged papers?

That is some seriously delusional thinking, to say nothing of what it appears you think about the people you work with and the people you treat, who you seem to be saying are criminals!

The working classes aren’t generally being persecuted, or fleeing persecution.

My mum is traditional working class. She works the kind of job very few want to do, so has seen it “taken” by migrants, and sees it that they have come in and taken British work. They haven’t, those vacancies can’t be filled with British people who don’t want them.

What's the opposite of a 'bleeding heart liberal'? 🤔

Why is it the pp responsibility to report them?! Desperate people do desperate things. How can we have compassion for asylum seekers making perilous boat journeys but not for others who have tried different methods? Smacks of hypocrisy. Who knows exactly how they ' do it', maybe the poster will be back to explain more but I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility at all.

Tory donors for one. Look at Graham King.

And is that because the pay is crap? This idea that the British won't work is absolute bullshit. Some won't, granted, some are lazy fuckers, but no more than any other nationality. But when Covid struck and the farmers put out calls for help with the crops, tons of people offered to help, until they realised they'd have to sleep 6 to a caravan in the middle of a field in the middle of nowhere. One of the reasons Brits won't do the crappy paid, crappy working conditions jobs anymore is because we spent the best of the last century fighting for better. The fact that migrants will come in and do those jobs is because they can still send a sizeable amount of their pay check home where the monthly wages are peanuts. They don't mind hotbedding and shitty conditions if it means they get to go home and build a house with what they've earned.

Two out of five men arrested for last summer's riots had been reported for domestic abuse. These weren't hard working, decent family men.

I have compassion for people living in areas of high social deprivation with very few decent employment opportunities. I have absolutely no compassion for people who try and kill asylum seekers by setting fire to the hotels that are housing them and for people who encited this violence on social media.

And setting fire to a community library.

2005- 2006

You know there is fighting with the Taliban in Pakistan?

You asked how they left a country when they didn't have the correct visa to do so, I explained how. Have you ever lived and worked in a 3rd world unstable country? If not, I can see why you think this is so unbelievable.

Why would I report them - they exited on a forged visa, they arrived here and legally claimed asylum and were granted it. I am in no way saying they are criminal, I'm saying they did what they had to do. If their a criminal, then so am I!

Things have moved on a lot since 2006! For example the introduction of biometrics in 2007ish (not sure of exact year)would, I imagine, make it far more difficult to fake a UK visa.

How do you know they were asylum seekers?

What did the police do when you called them?

All those silly asylum seekers risking their lives and spending every penny they have on little boats when all they needed to do was buy a ticket on the ferry or hop on a plane. Why do they never think of that?

I wonder.

Maybe it isn't that straightforward.

I agree but I think it's pointless using reason to try and counter those kinds of arguments. People who talk about "bleeding heart liberals" and how we don't care about the working classes are being fed answers to every reasonable and measured point. The aim is to shut down debate, not to see another point of view. Ten to one I get a response to this accusing me of hypocrisy because the stock replies are always the same. If you're opposed to racism and xenophobia, you're a "bleeding heart liberal/lefty" existing in a world of pure privilege.

Her claims smack of something and it isn't hypocrisy. She asserted two "facts" that were impossible. Literally impossible. Changed her story when it was proven. And has shown not a shred of compassion for asylum seekers at all. I called bullshit. I proved it was bullshit. And I seriously look forward to hearing how, having dismissed others as "false asylum seekers" (60% of whom win their claims) she justifies covering up what she claims to be actual illegal immigrants. It isn't me who is the hypocrite, if that is what she's doing. On the other hand, she could just own up to making up the original assertions. It is not possible to arrive in the UK by any commercial carrier without entry documents even if you intend to claim asylum. And our entry systems are not so blind that they don't detect fake papers. Yet several staff and patients snuck through all these checks? Yeah, right.

You went to Nepal at the end stage of the civil war? When travel was not advised? Nobody knew it would come to a (sort of, mostly) end in 2006. It wasn't a bit of civil unrest. It was a war. Why would anyone be foolish enough to travel to a country where the government had advised against all but essential travel, and you couldn't get insurance for?

Do you think every country in the world has access to biometric data and the technology to use it? Some areas caught in conflict don't even have a reliable electric supply.

Some people seem to be viewing this from a 1st world western perspective, calling things false because they can't understand that the way we do things here are not the way things are done everywhere. Which is understandable, I could never have imagined what I would go through before I went, of I had, I wouldn't have gone But I acknowledge my privilege in having escaped safely and relatively easily, money bought me a way out.

Doesn’t pay too badly for the kind of work it is. Circa £28-£32k.

People don’t want to do it because the hours are long, and can be unsociable, and it involves working in a hot factory with flavourings and ingredients that frankly stink.

There’s no WFH, you have to be happy to stand up for 12hrs, and the work is repetitive and monotonous.

They are a staff of people like my mum who has worked there for 40 years, the occasional youngish lad, and Eastern Europeans.

They haven’t taken a job from hundreds of applicants, nobody applies.