Page 19 | AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

AliceMaforethought · 2025-08-20T17:13:40+00:00

Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman. [[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters]]

GodSaveTheClean · 21/08/2025 16:31

Wishing14 · 21/08/2025 14:44

@GodSaveTheCleanim sure the 2021 census figures will really help you in your daily life. Well done @TopPocketFind

Thanks. 4 year old information is very comforting when you’re being followed down the street in broad daylight, and areas of town are no go areas.
Bring your bleeding heart liberalism here and try it for a few days.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 16:33

GodSaveTheClean · 21/08/2025 16:31

Thanks. 4 year old information is very comforting when you’re being followed down the street in broad daylight, and areas of town are no go areas.
Bring your bleeding heart liberalism here and try it for a few days.

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Who is following you down the street?

GodSaveTheClean · 21/08/2025 16:35

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 16:33

Who is following you down the street?

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Please refer to previous posts. I also invite you to live and work here and experience it.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 16:40

GodSaveTheClean · 21/08/2025 16:35

Please refer to previous posts. I also invite you to live and work here and experience it.

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I have no idea where you are and no idea who is following you. I'm not looking up all your posts.

Ablondiebutagoody · 21/08/2025 16:45

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 16:21

So the comparison is a low-skilled migrant against an average British-born worker? Do you see the flaw in that? Even if they both end up not being net contributors, you are not comparing like with like, but you are also making assumptions about migrants having low skills. How does it take account of the fact that we are deliberately courting "low-skilled migrants" to fill our care homes with workers. Or what about the highly skilled but relatively low paid medical staff we deliberately recruit because we need them? They are also migrants. The vast majority of migrants do not arrive on small boats. They don't even claim refugee status.

You also need to take into account that lower paid workers of any ethnicity tend to die younger, so many won't make it to 80. Longer lifespans are directly related to income, education and housing.

Although the government has never kept records - perhaps they should start - a range of research shows that a significant portion of refugees possess high levels of education and skills, such as degree-level qualifications and professional experience, similar to the general UK population. I personally know three medically qualified doctors who can't work as doctors because somehow we can't figure out a way to recognise or convert their training. We have utterly no need of doctors though, so that is fine. A friend works as a taxi driver. He's a physiotherapist with nearly 15 years experience. Can't get a job because apparently we don't need physiotherapists. Two women who are nurses, can't get a job because again, their qualifications somehow aren't quite right, yet we are importing nurses because we don't have enough, all of whom also qualified elsewhere. There are a couple of people who simply can't find work and have been trying really hard. Apparently putting your life on the line to work with British forces isn't a qualification in anything useful - both of them have degrees and qualified as teachers. No teacher shortages in the UK though.

Quite apart from the fact that migrants and refugees are not the same - some refugees may be migrants but all migrants are not refugees - there are loads of assumptions being made that simply don't hold up to scrutiny. In 2024 only 16% of migrants arriving in the UK claimed asylum.

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Well no, presumably the argument is why accept low skilled immigration when it comes at such a cost to taxpayers?

Anyway, read the report. It's all in there, including all the assumptions. You are right, there are lots.

SleeplessInWherever · 21/08/2025 16:55

Ablondiebutagoody · 21/08/2025 16:45

Well no, presumably the argument is why accept low skilled immigration when it comes at such a cost to taxpayers?

Anyway, read the report. It's all in there, including all the assumptions. You are right, there are lots.

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I could argue I don’t want to pay for our “own” unemployed people, where can we send them?

SleeplessInWherever · 21/08/2025 16:56

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 16:40

I have no idea where you are and no idea who is following you. I'm not looking up all your posts.

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She’s in Bournemouth. I believe she’s being followed by immigrant men.

Ablondiebutagoody · 21/08/2025 17:05

SleeplessInWherever · 21/08/2025 16:55

I could argue I don’t want to pay for our “own” unemployed people, where can we send them?

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I think that we're stuck with them whereas we (should) have control over who comes here.

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 17:09

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 15:14

Visa?

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Yes, if they don't have a visa, when they get to passport control they say they wish to claim asylum

DeLaRuiz · 21/08/2025 17:11

Wishing14 · 21/08/2025 13:52

Do you really all believe in this ‘us’ and ‘them’ narrative? I wish the world was as simple as it is in some people’s heads!! But the ironic thing is it’s the same posters who are constantly saying how thick and uneducated ‘they’ are ….

It’s habitual, so much so that saturation point has been reached and the echo chamber of “ racist’s are so thick” is really just talking to itself. No one is listening. It’s amusing that they can’t stop their patronising slurs….they are spewing “hate speech” about the people they object to in ever decreasing circles.

TopPocketFind · 21/08/2025 17:11

Ablondiebutagoody · 21/08/2025 17:05

I think that we're stuck with them whereas we (should) have control over who comes here.

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I thought we took back control of our borders with Brexit.

The Bournemouth hospitality sector for example relies on immigration, just that the migrant workers now come from outside of the EU.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 17:13

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 17:09

Yes, if they don't have a visa, when they get to passport control they say they wish to claim asylum

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So someone from Iran goes to the airport and says at passport control "I want to go to the UK to claim asylum." And Iranian officials let them on the plane to the UK?

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 17:14

@PhilippaGeorgiou there is a reduction in new graduate physio jobs, that is true, and is terrible that the physios we have paid many thousands to train cant get a job. But we have posts we have advertised for experienced paediatric, geriatric and LD physios, and not had any suitable applicants. We have paid for visa's many times for people to come from abroad, but would much rather recruit someone with leave to remain or residency, as its cheaper and quicker. If he wants to do MSK adults then yes, he may struggle, but if he has significant experience in less popular specialities, then it should definitely be possible to get a job. Is he registered with the HCPC and CSP? Applications won't be considered without these, but that would be the same for any applicant no matter where they trained. A high standard of written English is also essential - many applications we have don't demonstrate this unfortunately

PandoraSocks · 21/08/2025 17:16

GodSaveTheClean · 21/08/2025 16:31

Thanks. 4 year old information is very comforting when you’re being followed down the street in broad daylight, and areas of town are no go areas.
Bring your bleeding heart liberalism here and try it for a few days.

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That is awful. Which areas of your town are no go areas?

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 17:17

The millions being spent on Hotel contracts.. who's raking in the profits.
These people aren't being put up in luxury hotels and recieving the best of everything.
Some people are making a fortune out of this but who?

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 17:21

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 17:13

So someone from Iran goes to the airport and says at passport control "I want to go to the UK to claim asylum." And Iranian officials let them on the plane to the UK?

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No, when they get to the UK they say they want to claim asylum. But when they leave their country they can state they are going on holiday.

If they can't leave via their airport due to their countries regime, then they travel overland to the nearest place where they can safely leave via the airport. I know several people who have done this via my job, both staff and patients.

TopPocketFind · 21/08/2025 17:22

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 17:17

The millions being spent on Hotel contracts.. who's raking in the profits.
These people aren't being put up in luxury hotels and recieving the best of everything.
Some people are making a fortune out of this but who?

Clearsprings, Mears and Serco for a start.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jw9jg99jo

Three asylum seekers, with suitcases and backpacks, move out from a Home Office contracted hotel

Asylum hotel firms vow to hand back some profits

Three companies have made combined profits of £383m since 2019, according to the National Audit Office.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jw9jg99jo

Timelineuk · 21/08/2025 17:26

Ablondiebutagoody · 20/08/2025 18:24

I think that you are right. People are getting very twitchy about illegal immigrants hanging around play areas etc. and innocent guys like this playing with family end up caught in the crossfire.

Yeah I’m getting worried about poisonous sacks of shi social media influencers and tv news and political parties brainwashing people into paranoia leading to increase in fear and possible violence. People will get hurt. It’s needs to stop. I don’t see what you’ve described but I’ve seen hateful influencers and people getting angry from watching too much bullshit on social media. I have to question what’s real now anyway

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 17:28

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 17:09

Yes, if they don't have a visa, when they get to passport control they say they wish to claim asylum

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They can't get on a plane or a boat without a visa - the companies are heavily fined if they allow someone transit without a visa. You really do not know how this works, do you?

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 17:32

DeLaRuiz · 21/08/2025 17:11

It’s habitual, so much so that saturation point has been reached and the echo chamber of “ racist’s are so thick” is really just talking to itself. No one is listening. It’s amusing that they can’t stop their patronising slurs….they are spewing “hate speech” about the people they object to in ever decreasing circles.

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I recognise the rhetoric and language because I've used it and more in real life situations albeit a long time ago.
I now see it for what it was a load of lies spun by inadequate fuckers.
This was more than 30 years ago I'd like to think we've moved on since then but sadly we're going back the way.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 17:32

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 17:21

No, when they get to the UK they say they want to claim asylum. But when they leave their country they can state they are going on holiday.

If they can't leave via their airport due to their countries regime, then they travel overland to the nearest place where they can safely leave via the airport. I know several people who have done this via my job, both staff and patients.

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That is a really weird claim. Because without a visa to enter the UK they cannot get on a plane or a boat to the UK. I am calling bullshit on that claim.

thepariscrimefiles · 21/08/2025 17:37

Dorisbonson · 21/08/2025 15:09

There are net taxpayers and tax eaters.

Asylum seekers very rarely become net taxpayers, their children very rarely become net taxpayers. The subsidy each immigrant requires in their life time if they retire here is circa 500k more than the amount of tax they pay in (if they work).

Do you understand now?

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According to this thread from a high earner threatening to leave the UK, 52.6% of people (35 million people) are net recipients and only 47.4% of people are net contributors. So that's a lot of people who aren't asylum seekers or immigrants who are reliant on the state. I would bet that a lot of the knuckle dragging racists who have been trying to burn down hotels housing asylum seekers are net recipients, not net contributors.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5381368-to-think-that-there-is-no-hope-here?page=1

Sirzy · 21/08/2025 17:37

of course people risk their lives and pay a fortune to the people smugglers when there is a simple option available! 🙄

The issue here is that there isn’t a way to claim asylum from out of the U.K. in most cases and there isn’t a way to legally get into the U.K. to be able to do so.

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 17:39

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 17:32

That is a really weird claim. Because without a visa to enter the UK they cannot get on a plane or a boat to the UK. I am calling bullshit on that claim.

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There is such a thing as a forged/fake paper visa you know. I had to get one to exit to India when I got trapped in a civil unrest in Nepal, all the airports shut down and the British embassy were worse than useless. And then flew home from Delhi

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 17:39

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 17:21

No, when they get to the UK they say they want to claim asylum. But when they leave their country they can state they are going on holiday.

If they can't leave via their airport due to their countries regime, then they travel overland to the nearest place where they can safely leave via the airport. I know several people who have done this via my job, both staff and patients.

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If they're being persecuted by the regime, it's unlikely they'll be able to get a visa to leave the country. Women for example can't travel without a chaperone and neighbouring countries have been known to send them back. Large refugee camps aren't safe and you can be stuck there for years.