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AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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AliceMaforethought · 20/08/2025 18:13

Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

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FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:28

nomas · 21/08/2025 13:23

This is almost victim blaming and passing the blame on to immigrants, when the culprit (Stephen Yucky Lemon) is a white racist.

Also disgusting as there's nothing wrong with people who aren't white "hanging around parks" (ie, just being at the park!) What are they basing their knowledge that they're "immigrants" on and must be up to no good? Their skin colour?! 🙄

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:30

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 13:15

But that could take a few years, and if the place that leaving is so terrible, the wife and child may not even survive this wait.

While both staying and the journey are both risky, staying is clearly the more risky of the 2 options, otherwise no one would leave, so why would any man chose the more risky option for his wife and child than himself. In many of the oppressed countries, women are at much higher risk, due to the inherent misogyny. If a women cannot leave the house or work, how can she support herself and her child whilst her husband is making the journey, applying for asylum, finding a job, applying for a visa...

And women and children do make the journey, I think someone above posted that 20,000 children arrived by boat, so it is possible for then to make the journey.

Edited

People flee for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean the whole family are affected. A Syrian man may be fleeing execution for opposing the current government for example. That doesn't mean his whole family are in danger.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 13:34

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 13:14

Just as well Scotland's part of the UK or the majority of us would have been jettisoned to some far flung corner of the Empire.🤣🤣

Bearing in mind that lovely distillery in Nepal, founded by former Scots regimental people, (a) a lot of you were and (b) exporting whisky making is clearly one of the greatest contributions one can make to civilisation.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:34

Chickenbone123 · 21/08/2025 13:20

I don’t know all obviously. But I do believe I have a very representative distribution of contacts. I have never got an election prediction wrong.

If it was tomorrow reform would win. We should all be worried about that.

And yes they are talking about all that. That’s part of the issue (besides the cultural issues). We are in scarcity mindset.

No, Reform wouldn't definitely win. I don't understand why people keep repeating that and you live in an echo chamber where people apparently blame immigrants for everything wrong with the country.

I don't know anyone who mindlessly goes on about foreigners all the time, people I know tend to have a wide range of opinions.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 21/08/2025 13:36

I have read that the world is becoming more right wing generally.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 13:37

Chickenbone123 · 21/08/2025 13:22

How do you know what I think 😂 I haven’t given my personal view, more a collective view of what I am seeing.

You might think exactly the same as me, probably not but who knows.

Oh I think you demonstrated enough of your views for me to be very certain I don't agree with you.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:38

Chickenbone123 · 21/08/2025 13:25

Well that’s good news. If they had the candidates I believe they would though. Or if it was all votes count not FPTP.

I also believe for the majority of the population migration would probably rank in top 3 voter issues.

I doubt that many people would be heavily concerned about immigration if (a) we hadn't spent the last two decades seeing our public services demolished and our wages stagnating and (b) we weren't told across mainstream and social media that immigrants are a terrible danger to our way of life. It's really easy to manipulate public opinion, we all know that.

DeLaRuiz · 21/08/2025 13:38

Quite right to feel unsafe, OP. Half black women arent safe is the UK, surely your day to day life proves this.

pointythings · 21/08/2025 13:39

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:28

Also disgusting as there's nothing wrong with people who aren't white "hanging around parks" (ie, just being at the park!) What are they basing their knowledge that they're "immigrants" on and must be up to no good? Their skin colour?! 🙄

It's a crime called Being In A Park While Brown. It's how these people think. And they're right here on this thread. With their apologists.

forgivingfiggy · 21/08/2025 13:41

I try to tell myself that there isn’t more racists, but that the racists feel more entitled to express their racism. Nevertheless it’s depressing.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:42

forgivingfiggy · 21/08/2025 13:41

I try to tell myself that there isn’t more racists, but that the racists feel more entitled to express their racism. Nevertheless it’s depressing.

Also we - non-bigots - are supposed to empathise with them and understand their racism. That's changed. Nobody thought we should consider whether the NF had a point of view. Now anti-racism is cited as a reason why racists are emboldened!

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:43

pointythings · 21/08/2025 13:39

It's a crime called Being In A Park While Brown. It's how these people think. And they're right here on this thread. With their apologists.

🥲

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:45

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:42

Also we - non-bigots - are supposed to empathise with them and understand their racism. That's changed. Nobody thought we should consider whether the NF had a point of view. Now anti-racism is cited as a reason why racists are emboldened!

This. There is no "debate" to be had. I'm not about to understand racism. It's always dressed up in "we just have legitimate concerns" and "oh, so you don't care about women and children then?!" 🙄Biscuit

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:46

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:42

Also we - non-bigots - are supposed to empathise with them and understand their racism. That's changed. Nobody thought we should consider whether the NF had a point of view. Now anti-racism is cited as a reason why racists are emboldened!

Apparently if you close them down, they automatically vote Reform. People keep threatening me with it for some reason, as though they weren't anyway...

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:47

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:46

Apparently if you close them down, they automatically vote Reform. People keep threatening me with it for some reason, as though they weren't anyway...

Yep that's always a bit transparent!

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:48

forgivingfiggy · 21/08/2025 13:41

I try to tell myself that there isn’t more racists, but that the racists feel more entitled to express their racism. Nevertheless it’s depressing.

Yes, definitely just more emboldened, I don't think there's necessarily more.Racist gobshites just sound louder as they've got social media to spout off on now and gather together and egg each other on. Plenty in RL just as disgusted as us but aren't as vocal about it.

Wishing14 · 21/08/2025 13:52

Do you really all believe in this ‘us’ and ‘them’ narrative? I wish the world was as simple as it is in some people’s heads!! But the ironic thing is it’s the same posters who are constantly saying how thick and uneducated ‘they’ are ….

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 13:56

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:45

This. There is no "debate" to be had. I'm not about to understand racism. It's always dressed up in "we just have legitimate concerns" and "oh, so you don't care about women and children then?!" 🙄Biscuit

So say the nylon flag clad fools that have never lifted a hand to a woman or child.
I've related my experiences of contact with people involved in the extreme far right there's a lot of uniform fetishists,I've was shown photos from a Rock against communism festival from the late 80s grown men in brown shirt uniform and SS uniform and the odd Hitler.

The local NF organiser for our area was mid 40s and liked the company of teen skinheads.
He was later busted with child abuse imagery.. magazines iirc late 80s.

As the Specials sang on the record.Why.
With a Nazi salute and a steel cap boot.
You follow like sheep in a wolves clothes.

BuildingAshes · 21/08/2025 13:59

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:30

People flee for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean the whole family are affected. A Syrian man may be fleeing execution for opposing the current government for example. That doesn't mean his whole family are in danger.

I'm not sure that's a very helpful stance. We have to assume that ALL the family is in peril unless we categorically can state otherwise. Don't give the reformers any more opportunity and start picking holes in the family reunification programme! We know enough that regimes won't just be threatening a single person, it will be all members of the family.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 14:03

BuildingAshes · 21/08/2025 13:59

I'm not sure that's a very helpful stance. We have to assume that ALL the family is in peril unless we categorically can state otherwise. Don't give the reformers any more opportunity and start picking holes in the family reunification programme! We know enough that regimes won't just be threatening a single person, it will be all members of the family.

I disagree. Asylum seekers are often criticised for leaving their families to face unimaginable conditions after being abandoned.

lkjhgfdsa · 21/08/2025 14:07

Livelovebehappy · 21/08/2025 13:28

I don't yhink that's doable. There are no spare houses, or very few. We only have to look at waiting lists for social housing to realise that's not going to work I'm afraid. If someone is allowed to leap frog over someone else who is on a ten year waiting list for a home, thats going to open a whole new can of worms...

People already believe that is happening.

LakieLady · 21/08/2025 14:08

dreamingbohemian · 21/08/2025 08:39

Can I ask those of you who remember the last time things were this bad, what do you think helped turn it around at a certain point? Not that racism disappeared, but when and why did things seem to improve compared to the 70s/80s?

Ive only been in the UK since 2005 so I'd be grateful to learn more.

Anti-discrimination legislation came into force in 1976 and was given teeth via the Commission for Racial Equality. There was a lot of activism. Groups like the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism organised events, marches etc.

And we had a whole generation reaching adulthood who'd been educated alongside children from minority groups, so didn't see them as "other" in the way that their parents' generation did.

What puzzles me is why that particular pendulum is swinging back so far in the opposite direction.

SleeplessInWherever · 21/08/2025 14:09

Wishing14 · 21/08/2025 13:52

Do you really all believe in this ‘us’ and ‘them’ narrative? I wish the world was as simple as it is in some people’s heads!! But the ironic thing is it’s the same posters who are constantly saying how thick and uneducated ‘they’ are ….

It’s fairly thick to question why a black man would be in a playground with his grandchildren.

It’s also fairly thick to then say “it wasn’t me!!” When really it’s just that it was your social media team, who you manage.

It’s thick to consider human beings illegal. It’s thick to assume men are crossing the ocean, because they want to bring crime to “our shores.” Seems a lot of effort, right?

It’s thick to have a preferred type of asylum seeker. It’s thick to not want people in disused hotels, but also not want them living next door.

I could continue 😂

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 14:13

lkjhgfdsa · 21/08/2025 14:07

People already believe that is happening.

I had to laugh at GMTV this morning .Now that hotel has shut in Epping the new concern was what if they get put up in social housing.
They won't as they have no eligibility for UC that has rent element council or private.
They'll likely be dispersed throughout the country.

I wonder how many conservative donor's got favourable terms for hotel contracts considering there were 400 premises.

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 14:13

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:18

Again, read the article I posted about the Sudanese refugee. He was kidnapped multiple times on his journey, including several times by people saying they'd organise passage across the channel on a small boat. A husband may have a chance of surviving the journey, albeit with terrible trauma, a woman and child unaccompanied would not.

I'm in no way denying that the journey is hard and dangerous, of course it is, and thst underlines just how desperate people must be to make it. But staying behind must be even more dangerous, otherwise no one would undertake the journey in the first place. If staying behind gives you 50% chance of survival, and doing the journey gives you 80% chance of survival (just random numbers to illustrate point), of course you would take the 80%? And that underlines the misogyny - men are seen are more important, so they are the priority for the 80% chance and the women have to stick with the 50%. I work a family where it took 7 years for the man to get his wife and children over. In that time she was raped on a regular basis - in her words 'they did what they wanted to me as my husband was not there to stop them, they knew he was gone and not coming back' . Her teenage daughter, who is disabled and under our care, was also raped several times, and is now mute through trauma, and disabled through being beaten over head and suffering brain damage in the attacks.