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AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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AliceMaforethought · 20/08/2025 18:13

Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

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CaptainMyCaptain · 21/08/2025 08:16

Sirzy · 21/08/2025 08:15

Which most want to do. But while their asylum claim is being processed (which takes a rediculous amount of time) they aren’t allowed to work.

If we processed claims much much quicker and then let those who have right to remain work and build their lives then they would be able to contribute

I totally agree.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 08:19

LakieLady · 21/08/2025 07:52

I was born in the 50s, and it's worse than I can remember at any point in my life, and I include the 70s, when the National Front were marching through the streets, in that.

I agree. I am around the same age as you, and what is characterising this movement is far worse. Naked thuggery - online as much as on the streets. Even on sites like this the most appalling lies and disinformation allowed to stand in the name of "open debate" and "clicks", fuelling unwarranted fear and violence. And an agenda driven by the right into which even mainstream parties are buying into rather than tackling. Facts are no longer currency.

But widen the view. Old people are "owed nothing" because they are no longer productive. Disabled people are too well looked after, they should get out to work like we do (ignoring the fact that many do and many can't). The politics of hate are not confined to skin colour or to people arriving in small boats. This is a very different kind of politics, and one equally at work in the USA.

It isn't hard to see the dictatorships rising. They need "enemies" to fuel their rise. If there aren't any, they will manufacture them. And nobody should be under any illusions that silence will save them. When these powers run out of enemies, they create new ones, and it will probably be you that they come for next. It didn't take long for this country to forget what happened 80+ years ago. It seems that we didn't so much win, and got a reprieve.

BIossomtoes · 21/08/2025 08:21

LakieLady · 21/08/2025 07:52

I was born in the 50s, and it's worse than I can remember at any point in my life, and I include the 70s, when the National Front were marching through the streets, in that.

Same. If anyone had told me when I was 18 what this country would be like when I was 72 I’d have told them they were delusional. I’d have been even more incredulous if they’d told me establishment politicians would be leading the charge. My dad and his generation who fought in WW2 must be rotating in their graves.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 08:25

@Blossomtoes My dad and his generation who fought in WW2 must be rotating in their graves.

Along with Keir Hardie I would guess. Who'd have thought that there'd be "bookend" Keirs, presiding over the rise and fall of the party of the working class?

Mimilamore · 21/08/2025 08:32

Most definitely.. the need to blame, getting really nasty and expressed in public. Not helped by the press.

BIossomtoes · 21/08/2025 08:36

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 08:25

@Blossomtoes My dad and his generation who fought in WW2 must be rotating in their graves.

Along with Keir Hardie I would guess. Who'd have thought that there'd be "bookend" Keirs, presiding over the rise and fall of the party of the working class?

I imagined the entire Attlee government alternately weeping and raging at austerity, God alone knows what they’d think now.

dreamingbohemian · 21/08/2025 08:37

SpottyCheeseEater · 21/08/2025 07:16

No, of course it won't save me. But going with your naive narrative that all boat people
Are genuine asylum seekers and we need to help them is plain dumb.

Well at least 70% of them are, according to the UK asylum process which contrary to popular belief is actually rather strict.

Its not for random people to decide if asylum seekers are genuine, there is a legal process in place that decides these things. Assuming all the asylum seekers are frauds destroying the fabric of British society is racist.

thepariscrimefiles · 21/08/2025 08:39

dreamingbohemian · 20/08/2025 20:53

I also blame Labour for pandering to racists instead of reinforcing how unacceptable racism is. Of course racism is getting worse, none of the most powerful actors in the country are standing up to it.

I agree. Labour moving massively to the right on immigration isn't going to improve their electoral prospects. They'll just lose their progressive voters who will vote Green, Lib Dem or for Corbyn's new party. Why would a racist vote Labour when they can vote for Reform, the genuine article when it comes to racism and hatred of foreigners (apart from white South Africans)?

dreamingbohemian · 21/08/2025 08:39

Can I ask those of you who remember the last time things were this bad, what do you think helped turn it around at a certain point? Not that racism disappeared, but when and why did things seem to improve compared to the 70s/80s?

Ive only been in the UK since 2005 so I'd be grateful to learn more.

BIossomtoes · 21/08/2025 08:48

dreamingbohemian · 21/08/2025 08:39

Can I ask those of you who remember the last time things were this bad, what do you think helped turn it around at a certain point? Not that racism disappeared, but when and why did things seem to improve compared to the 70s/80s?

Ive only been in the UK since 2005 so I'd be grateful to learn more.

It’s never been this bad before. In the 1970s far right racist movements were small and niche, it was never a part of mainstream politics. Most immigrants had come to help rebuild the country after the war. I believe the roots of the current rise in racism are economic. A prosperous country doesn’t need to find scapegoats. It’s not just racism that’s risen, it’s ableism and ageism too. None of this is coincidental. I truly believe that if the economy got back on track with full employment and public services were rebuilt things would change.

BitOutOfPractice · 21/08/2025 08:49

Sirzy · 20/08/2025 18:16

I think a lot of people have become a lot less tolerant of others. I think too many believe dangerous narratives about anyone who isn’t white British.

I think, as so often is the case, first post nails it.

PandoraSocks · 21/08/2025 08:56

Dorisbonson · 21/08/2025 05:29

Great, let's have all of Frances refugees and then all the ones from Germany too. Instead of 10m refugees a decade we can have 20m. Let's all retire at 80 so we can pay for them as they will need subsidising for the rest of their lives by people who are net taxpayers. Great.

Why don't you take the refugees in your private house and pay money to charity if you want to rather than forcing the rest of us to pay money we don't have so they can live in hotels.

Why don't you take the refugees in your private house and pay money to charity if you want to rather than forcing the rest of us to pay money we don't have so they can live in hotels

This is such a fucking stupid argument and you are not the first to have made it by a long chalk.

It is like saying if you want all children to have a good education, open up a school in your living room.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 08:58

Dorisbonson · 21/08/2025 05:29

Great, let's have all of Frances refugees and then all the ones from Germany too. Instead of 10m refugees a decade we can have 20m. Let's all retire at 80 so we can pay for them as they will need subsidising for the rest of their lives by people who are net taxpayers. Great.

Why don't you take the refugees in your private house and pay money to charity if you want to rather than forcing the rest of us to pay money we don't have so they can live in hotels.

A rather vitriolic post. You seem angry. Why should refugees need to be subsidised once they're allowed to work? And what makes you pluck that particular figure from the air?

PandoraSocks · 21/08/2025 08:58

BIossomtoes · 21/08/2025 08:48

It’s never been this bad before. In the 1970s far right racist movements were small and niche, it was never a part of mainstream politics. Most immigrants had come to help rebuild the country after the war. I believe the roots of the current rise in racism are economic. A prosperous country doesn’t need to find scapegoats. It’s not just racism that’s risen, it’s ableism and ageism too. None of this is coincidental. I truly believe that if the economy got back on track with full employment and public services were rebuilt things would change.

I agree.

We are seeing the fruits of austerity.

thepariscrimefiles · 21/08/2025 09:05

SpottyCheeseEater · 20/08/2025 22:07

Isn't France a safe country? They must want something else other than safety. I wonder what that is.

You have said that you are an immigrant to the UK. Why did you choose the UK rather than France?

dreamingbohemian · 21/08/2025 09:11

Thanks for replying @BIossomtoes That's so depressing.

I guess my worry is that this rise in racism and extremism, and all the additional intolerance you note, will prevent us from returning to economic prosperity. It sucks up so much energy, its so divisive, parties are pandering to the far right instead of trying to help everyone, the media is promoting these narratives instead of focusing on the interests harming the country.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 09:11

BIossomtoes · 21/08/2025 08:48

It’s never been this bad before. In the 1970s far right racist movements were small and niche, it was never a part of mainstream politics. Most immigrants had come to help rebuild the country after the war. I believe the roots of the current rise in racism are economic. A prosperous country doesn’t need to find scapegoats. It’s not just racism that’s risen, it’s ableism and ageism too. None of this is coincidental. I truly believe that if the economy got back on track with full employment and public services were rebuilt things would change.

I don't agree. The far right was always there, but in reality they are still small and niche. We need to be careful, Farage and his ilk are odious little toads, they are on the right - they are not far right. Anyone who thinks they are simply hasn't met the far right. Farage represents something different - Populism. It might end in facism, it may not, but in many ways it is far more dangerous than fascism because it is insidious. It worms into the minds of average, ordinary people in ways that fascism cannot. In the '50's - '70's (and beyond) there was racism but it didn't have a pervasive hold on the population - prejudice did, but it isn't quite the same. My dad held out and out racist views thanks to spending far too much time reading the Daily Express - but it was always about "them". Every single non-white person he met he liked, got on well with and had so many non-white friends it was unbelieveable how he squared that circle! Populism though, turns your neighbours into the enemy as well.

Populism is characterised by an "us and them" narrative pitting "the pure people" against a "corrupt elite," leading to distrust in established institutions and experts, and a rejection of technocratic governance. Populism is a political tactic, not tied to a specific ideology, that emphasises the "will of the people" to gain support and can be a powerful tool, whilst eroding democratic processes. Take a look at the USA with the National Guard now a political weapon of the President.

I cannot recommend highly enough Ece Temelkuran's book How to Lose a Country. Despite now being "old" (2019) it demonstrates very clearly how Populism works ad the dangers it represents.

But what is the difference between "now" and "back then"? Believe me, we weren't prosperous back then. There was plenty of poverty. A richer country perhaps, didn't make for a richer people. To me what made a difference was that we had community - and by that I don't just mean neighbourhood, although those local ties are important. We had unions, educational institutions - all sorts of things that connected people. Since Thatcher it has been every man for themselves - selfishness and self-interest has risen exponentially. In the main, people care less and less about others or the collective. Their "connections" in real life diminish to smaller and smaller circles, whilst their "friends" and "followers" and "followed" become more and more "real" than actual lived experience.

And I will stop there before I end up with six more paragraphs on the end days of capitalism! Suffice to say, lots of people saw this coming. Most people though, were looking the other way. They still are.

BIossomtoes · 21/08/2025 09:18

Since Thatcher it has been every man for themselves - selfishness and self-interest has risen exponentially.

That’s absolutely true. The cohesion you refer to was closely linked to the industries that supported working class people - mining and manufacturing in the north. Thatcher’s deindustrialisation destroyed communities. Actually I think we’re both right, you see the same situation through a slightly different lens.

dreamingbohemian · 21/08/2025 09:21

Thanks @PhilippaGeorgiou thats really interesting, especially about the loss of community. I was still in the US in the 80s and we had a similar experience under Reagan, every man for themselves and so many social bonds and institutions destroyed, whole parts of the country abandoned by government, unions destroyed.

SpellingBumble · 21/08/2025 09:26

Yes agree. I was attacked for simply being white. Nothing was done of course despite a public tirade and physical attack. No one filmed it. He got away with it. Apparently the cctv was lost despite me reporting it straight away.

HRTQueen · 21/08/2025 09:32

one of the differences is that pre 90’s immigrants and children of immigrants were not seen as equals or as being British so that suited many people even those who didn’t necessarily hold racist views or didn’t appear to as it wasn’t really challenged

now we live in a country where non white people are as British and for many they can not accept this or don’t really accept this

I’m not sure it’s as bad as the 60/70’s (given what my family went through as their place in society was very much cemented) but that is not something to celebrate as we have taken a step back

we also have the issue of not being able to have conversations now about immigration without it being split in to two camps and people like Farage thrive off this we need to be able to talk about the positives and at times negatives of immigration na sHiw it’s to be managed

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 09:35

Ablondiebutagoody · 20/08/2025 18:24

I think that you are right. People are getting very twitchy about illegal immigrants hanging around play areas etc. and innocent guys like this playing with family end up caught in the crossfire.

Are only people who are white "allowed"to go to the park now? 🙄

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 09:37

I read that article and saw posts on social media about this poor man. It honestly makes me feel sick, that people would steal someone else's video that had been put up of them having a nice day out with the grandkids and put it out there insinuating all sorts and put them at risk.
Goodness knows how people who aren't white feel, it must be so scary nowadays

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 09:41

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 09:35

Are only people who are white "allowed"to go to the park now? 🙄

And so it goes on Freeze-dried
Britain is not being invaded
It's not being islamified
These are all things the extreme right have used for decades.

I don't advocate all and sundry wandering into the UK but the hysteria and hatred needs to end.
Tying a nylon flag made in China doesn't make a patriot ... just an idiot.

SerendipityJane · 21/08/2025 10:08

one of the differences is that pre 90’s immigrants and children of immigrants were not seen as equals or as being British so that suited many people even those who didn’t necessarily hold racist views or didn’t appear to as it wasn’t really challenged

When I was having swimming lessons in the early 70s, one (white) lad in the class (about 6 years old) did a "funny" voice about Pakistanis getting free houses on the social security. Apparently it was what hid Dad was saying at home. It stuck because I didn't understand and asked DM. And then I asked why she said "poor boy" in response.

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