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AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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AliceMaforethought · 20/08/2025 18:13

Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

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TooBigForMyBoots · 21/08/2025 00:04

VaseofViolets · 20/08/2025 22:06

I know… very strange. Why do we seem to respect the nation’s laws more than they do?

You're not being attacked even when you tell us we're being British wrong.
🤣🤣🤣

Zonder · 21/08/2025 00:10

Well, I guess this thread has proved the OP right.

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/08/2025 00:19

VaseofViolets · 20/08/2025 22:46

You just don’t want to see it, that’s the trouble. It upsets your idealistic view of the world where everyone from totally different cultures with totally different values get along beautifully. You’d prefer to live in your fantasy world, pretend you don’t see the problems and shout down anyone who tries to draw your attention to them.

You’ll shut your eyes until you can’t any longer and then claim to be surprised and horrified when it’s all inevitably goes wrong, as it’s beginning to. Ah well, people tried to warn you. There’s none so blind as those who will not see.

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We do see the problem. We can see it because we've seen it before. In the 60s, 70s and 80s.

The problem is Racism!

VaseofViolets · 21/08/2025 00:32

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/08/2025 00:19

We do see the problem. We can see it because we've seen it before. In the 60s, 70s and 80s.

The problem is Racism!

Edited

Yep, that’s all it is, no need to think harder…

🥱

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 00:54

England flags are being placed on lamp posts in huge numbers - does that not remind people of anything? The far right is on the march again and the UK's prime minister pleads ignorance. Of course racism is on the rise. I was born in the 70s and things are at least as bad as I've ever seen them. I never thought we'd be in danger of having a far right government and that's exactly where we are now. It's terrifying.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 00:57

And for all the posters repeating the rubbish about refugees being obliged to stop in the first safe country they reach, for one they are legally entitled to pass through as many countries as they like to end up in a place of their choice. And secondly, France is clearly NOT a safe country for refugees - racism there is even more overt and violent than it currently is here. This man's story sums it up.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/aug/20/at-19-i-had-to-flee-my-country-afraid-for-my-life-without-even-saying-goodbye-to-my-family?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/08/2025 01:08

VaseofViolets · 21/08/2025 00:32

Yep, that’s all it is, no need to think harder…

🥱

Huh?

We lived the history of the UK. We've seen it before. We know what this is: Same racist shit, different century.🤷‍♀️

We have to oppose it so the country stops being a racist nightmare and returns to the great, diverse country that attracted you, and we enjoyed. A country where we discuss and resolve our differences like civilised people.

think harder?
Maybe you should take your own advice as your understanding of the UK is still a bit, superficial?

Goldenbear · 21/08/2025 03:32

VaseofViolets · 20/08/2025 22:46

You just don’t want to see it, that’s the trouble. It upsets your idealistic view of the world where everyone from totally different cultures with totally different values get along beautifully. You’d prefer to live in your fantasy world, pretend you don’t see the problems and shout down anyone who tries to draw your attention to them.

You’ll shut your eyes until you can’t any longer and then claim to be surprised and horrified when it’s all inevitably goes wrong, as it’s beginning to. Ah well, people tried to warn you. There’s none so blind as those who will not see.

Edited

What's wrong with being idealistic? I agree with Oscar Wilde on this;

"What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.”.

Dorisbonson · 21/08/2025 05:29

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 00:57

And for all the posters repeating the rubbish about refugees being obliged to stop in the first safe country they reach, for one they are legally entitled to pass through as many countries as they like to end up in a place of their choice. And secondly, France is clearly NOT a safe country for refugees - racism there is even more overt and violent than it currently is here. This man's story sums it up.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/aug/20/at-19-i-had-to-flee-my-country-afraid-for-my-life-without-even-saying-goodbye-to-my-family?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Great, let's have all of Frances refugees and then all the ones from Germany too. Instead of 10m refugees a decade we can have 20m. Let's all retire at 80 so we can pay for them as they will need subsidising for the rest of their lives by people who are net taxpayers. Great.

Why don't you take the refugees in your private house and pay money to charity if you want to rather than forcing the rest of us to pay money we don't have so they can live in hotels.

Cetim · 21/08/2025 06:38

VaseofViolets · 20/08/2025 23:08

Where did I say I condone racist behaviour?

I can’t find the bit where I said it was ok to treat other humans poorly because they’re not like me. Perhaps you could show me where I said that.

If it were only a few hundred (!) people coming here on a boat, there wouldn’t be a problem and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It’s a problem when it’s actually tens of thousands, as you very well know. You’re part of the problem when you intentionally give ridiculous small numbers as though people need not be concerned. They are concerned.

Being concerned does not condone Racism which is what the OP is about. We're talking about Racism and you're talking about small boats as if it is justification for that. You said you have experi3nced Racism in Spain and then said 'their country, their rules' or something similar. You hijacked the thread from Racism to native concerns about small boats as if to justify it. Maybe don't be so clumsy when making points and it would come across better or maybe even relevant.

MrsMurphyIWish · 21/08/2025 06:47

Shouldgivethisup · 20/08/2025 23:18

I tan very quickly. I have dark hair. I am inevitably asked “where are you from originally?” Several times each summer. Surrey girl, white British. People assume my family must be Italian or Spanish. Wankers.

so sorry OP and other posters. I can’t bear to think of how it must hurt you.

(I sneer and say “Surrey” in my best posh voice)

My colouring is very similar. When I was a child my dad was called “P*” (70s/80s).

DH is Irish and my children have inherited his eye colour, hair and skin tone. I have been asked if I’m their biological mother.

ViolaChomp · 21/08/2025 07:00

I have noticed a group in my local town, masquerading as do gooders, are going around attaching England flags to lamp posts.. they are also "litter picking" at the same time and making it sound like they are clearing the town up when it just seems like a thinly veiled excuse to be racist.
It is giving me massive BNF vibes.

SpottyCheeseEater · 21/08/2025 07:16

dreamingbohemian · 20/08/2025 22:17

Asylum seekers are not illegal

I'm a skilled worker immigrant like you, applying for British citizenship soon. My grandfather was actually from Yorkshire so I have British heritage as well. Absolute bollocks for you or I to cast judgment on others immigrating to the UK. You think being a 'good immigrant' will save you from the racist thugs? The ones calling for 'remigration' of not just illegal immigrants but literally everyone who's not white British? Don't contribute to their narratives, think about where they lead.

No, of course it won't save me. But going with your naive narrative that all boat people
Are genuine asylum seekers and we need to help them is plain dumb.

SpottyCheeseEater · 21/08/2025 07:16

lkjhgfdsa · 20/08/2025 22:09

To be in the same country as people they know? To be in a country where they speak the language? To be in a country that they like? Probably not for a grotty hotel room, bad food and £9.95 a week.

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

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Then their motivation isn't safety which is what asylum is for.

CaptainMyCaptain · 21/08/2025 07:27

drspouse · 20/08/2025 18:52

Which illegal immigrants are "hanging round play areas"?
Do you mean people who aren't white are (shock horror) daring to go to the park?

This. You can't tell by looking if someone is an illegal immigrant or has been in the country for generations. If anyone black/white, male/female appears to be taking too much interest in your children watch out for them but don't make assumptions.

Edit: I meant watch out for your children - watch them.

CaptainMyCaptain · 21/08/2025 07:33

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 00:54

England flags are being placed on lamp posts in huge numbers - does that not remind people of anything? The far right is on the march again and the UK's prime minister pleads ignorance. Of course racism is on the rise. I was born in the 70s and things are at least as bad as I've ever seen them. I never thought we'd be in danger of having a far right government and that's exactly where we are now. It's terrifying.

Same in my area and I find it very troubling. At the moment it's confined to a few streets so I hope it doesn't spread. I was a young adult in the 70s and it's even more overt now, I don't remember all the flags then.

CaptainMyCaptain · 21/08/2025 07:38

BuildingAshes · 20/08/2025 23:13

Respectfully, I suggest you don't follow this account. It's in no way normal.

I follow his account, he is doing nothing wrong. Why shouldn't he walk in the countryside?

LakieLady · 21/08/2025 07:52

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 00:54

England flags are being placed on lamp posts in huge numbers - does that not remind people of anything? The far right is on the march again and the UK's prime minister pleads ignorance. Of course racism is on the rise. I was born in the 70s and things are at least as bad as I've ever seen them. I never thought we'd be in danger of having a far right government and that's exactly where we are now. It's terrifying.

I was born in the 50s, and it's worse than I can remember at any point in my life, and I include the 70s, when the National Front were marching through the streets, in that.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 07:58

SpottyCheeseEater · 21/08/2025 07:16

Then their motivation isn't safety which is what asylum is for.

70% are given refugee status, therefore they have been found to have a well founded fear of persecution. The countries many are coming from speak for themselves such as Afghanistan and Iran.

Timeforabitofpeace · 21/08/2025 08:02

Agreed the far right is on the march. People voting for them will reprint at leisure if they get in, probably more than the rest of us.

LakieLady · 21/08/2025 08:07

Dorisbonson · 21/08/2025 05:29

Great, let's have all of Frances refugees and then all the ones from Germany too. Instead of 10m refugees a decade we can have 20m. Let's all retire at 80 so we can pay for them as they will need subsidising for the rest of their lives by people who are net taxpayers. Great.

Why don't you take the refugees in your private house and pay money to charity if you want to rather than forcing the rest of us to pay money we don't have so they can live in hotels.

Where do you get the idea that they will all need subsidising?

A refugee who lived near me for a while is working as a psychiatrist in the NHS, a refugee friend runs the education programme for a local museum, when I had a plumbing emergency, the plumber who came and fixed it had come here as a refugee.

I've met loads of refugees who work and don't claim a penny from the state.

If we let asylum seekers work while they're awaiting asylum decisions, the tax they pay would offset some of the costs, but then people like you would be bleating that they're coming over here, takiing our jobs.

CaptainMyCaptain · 21/08/2025 08:11

The country needs more young, working, tax payers - and there they are!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 08:13

LakieLady · 21/08/2025 08:07

Where do you get the idea that they will all need subsidising?

A refugee who lived near me for a while is working as a psychiatrist in the NHS, a refugee friend runs the education programme for a local museum, when I had a plumbing emergency, the plumber who came and fixed it had come here as a refugee.

I've met loads of refugees who work and don't claim a penny from the state.

If we let asylum seekers work while they're awaiting asylum decisions, the tax they pay would offset some of the costs, but then people like you would be bleating that they're coming over here, takiing our jobs.

Blair stopped asylum seekers working because people complained that they were competing with them for jobs.

ExtraOnions · 21/08/2025 08:14

The flag shaggers have been round here overnight, attaching thier nylon, pound shop flags, part-way up the lamppost …. Flying half-mast to mourn the death of thier last braincell.

Wonder if they will bother maintaining them, or if they will be left to get dirty, and rot away… and the community left to clear them up.

It’s no act of rebellion, and I can’t feel anything other than sad.

Sirzy · 21/08/2025 08:15

CaptainMyCaptain · 21/08/2025 08:11

The country needs more young, working, tax payers - and there they are!

Which most want to do. But while their asylum claim is being processed (which takes a rediculous amount of time) they aren’t allowed to work.

If we processed claims much much quicker and then let those who have right to remain work and build their lives then they would be able to contribute