To ask those who are not white brittish how they feel about the flags?

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Birmingham and Tower Hamlets are having St George England flags put up by privately funded groups.
I'm horrified by the implicit racism. I've seen a lot of white people applauding this and "time we took back the country" comments.
I haven't seen many non white people commenting. My feel is that they are too intimidated to do so. Am I right? Or is it indifference or is it that you're dealing with racism on a daily level and this is just one more thing.
Please don't post if you're white.whatever you feel about the flags. I want to hear on white viewd

How many ‘far right racists’ do you think exist in England? What percentage of our population would you consider far right racists? Let’s guess at less than 1%. So 99% of the population should be banned from displaying the flag because of the actions of a minority. It’s like for example condemning the entire Muslim population of the UK for terrorist attacks. You can’t punish a majority for the actions of a minority of people.

It’s not racist?!! I’m British, but live in another European country, they fly their flag, are very proud of it and their country and their culture. This is not racist, I now live in their country and respect their culture and customs and have integrated into the country. Black people from the country ate proud as well as white.
We are seen as a joke by many other countries for not attempting to retain our own unique British culture, this is not racist!

Councils goading the locals ain’t acceptable either.

It’s not racist?!! I’m British, but live in another European country, they fly their flag, are very proud of it and their country and their culture. This is not racist, I now live in their country and respect their culture and customs and have integrated into the country. Black people from the country ate proud as well as white.
We are seen as a joke by many other countries for not attempting to retain our own unique British culture, this is not racist!

Sorry it posted twice

exactly! I'd ask how they thought they would get away with that, but I suppose the answer is they wanted to start a divide.

Where are TH council putting up the flags?

They have an agenda. You'd think the main item on a council's to do list would be to empty the damn bins. But apparently not.

Tower Hamlets? The bin collection is fine. I'm just wondering where all these flags are.

No! However this is the absolute level of INSANITY that England has reached that the flag of our country is now seen as racist, how in the world has this been allowed to happen?! And why? We have people from every corner of the globe living on this tiny island and yet displaying the flag of the country you are here in is racism it makes zero sense we have welcomed millions of people from the rest of the world and are one of the most diverse countries in the entire world, to cling on to part of our identity is not wrong and is very unfair.

Bins not being collected in Birmingham which the council should be prioritising.

I know nothing about Birmingham. I was asking about Tower Hamlets.

I wonder if we should be playing a long game here, and asking ourselves what association we want the flag to have in 20 or 50 years time, not just what association it has now.

Personally I would prefer to move back towards a situation where it's usually a national symbol and only rarely a political symbol.

I don't think the answer can just be more private individuals flying it, because it's clear from this thread that many people will assume those individuals are racist until proven otherwise, and feel afraid.

The answer might be more institutions in England routinely flying the flag or using an image of it. That would, over a long enough time period, make it much more neutral and ordinary.

Unfortunately, so long as people in those institutions shy away from it because of the associations, then those associations will keep their negative power.

People putting up England/UK flags has spread to a number of areas inc Tower Hamlets. When council workers have been sent to remove the flags, people are saying what about all the Palestinian flags, which have been flying for many months without the council taking them down.

I'd be quite happy to have no flags flying, but this inconsistency is pissing people off.

@Goldenbear Oh yes, I know that it’s uncommon in England, my point was simply that displaying a national flag doesn’t necessarily mean that the owner is racist or anti other nationalities. My Canadian neighbor is Canadian so that flag is part of his heritage, that’s all there is to it. It’s not intended to provoke anyone or send certain messages.

I imagine that’s the case in many places where national flags are displayed. England seems to be an outlier.

i think it’s a lovely gesture to acknowledge that yes we are British and yes we can fly our flag, why do you even have to say non white British? Does being non white make you less patriotic?
I used to live in a very non white non British part of London and I moved as I felt uncomfortable. Brick lane white British are a minority and I felt I had no community so moved.

ive plenty of non white British friends who do not view their flag as racist

Unfortunately, the English flag is being used as a symbol of right wing extremism. My DC are non-white and very sporty, one a national competitor and are proud to wear the England flag on their jerseys but comments have been made to them that they shouldn't be wearing them as they're not white. England is full of bigots who will take every advantage to attack non-white people and wrap the extremism up in an England flag. Not so much the British flag though.

Flags appeared in our area today.
Whose put them up and is it allowed?
Could the council take them down?

More non racist Britons (of all ethnicities) flying it. “Taking our flag back” if you will.

That’s awful!

I'm guessing you're white yourself? Your type always are. You do realise you are doing absolutely zero favours for black and brown people by acting like your the voice of them and automatically assuming they all deplore the British flag being flown in Britain don't you ? Silly you.

We went to Scotland last year. Lots of Scottish flags. Funnily enough as an English person it didn't occur to me that there was any anti non Scottish intention to them. Should it have ? 🙄

Take your (damaging to non white people) virtue signalling and shove it.

The irony of how racist your post is too.

You best go let Romesh Ranganathan and Kemi Badenoch know the British flag is only for white people and they may be offended by people flying it ?

I will admit, much as, I have no issue with the English and British flags, if I was looking to move and saw a neighbourhood where ever other house at a Cross of St George hanging in the window, I would not feel safe living there.

I don’t know how we allowed the flag to be so hijacked.

I'm embarrassed for that poster.

True. I wasn’t trying to say that.

What I meant was that the union, Scottish and Welsh flags don’t feel like they have the same connotations as the St George flag may sometimes have.