Have you met Lucy Letby ?

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Just curious - watched documentary and i am convinced of her guilt and intrigued by her apparent wolf in sheeps clothing demeanour - Just wondering if anyone HAS met her /encountered her and what she is like ?!

I’ve no strong view of her guilt or innocence either way, but these bits of circumstantial evidence are hardly persuasive are they? It sounds like you’re quite familiar with the case, what real evidence is there that convinces you of her guilt? ‘Vibes’ isn’t really enough.

"From the documentaries" means you are basing your "instinct" on third party facts, some of which are demonstrably inaccurate, and much of the Panorama documentary is to do with the book deal a couple of hacks are promoting.

You can't possibly have a reliable "instinct" based on that. Even if you'd met her, and "didn't like her" that's not reliable "instinct". Your "instinct" is based on everything you've been fed, and the understaffed naivety of someone who can't believe the system could be wrong in a case as serious as this.

In fact the BBC has had to alter some of the "facts" around extubation statistics at the other hospital because they were demonstrably incorrect.

I’ve not met Letby, but I did study with a man who raped and murdered a woman on campus, while we were studying. You wouldn’t have known he was as nasty as he was. I doubt I’d have thought anything untoward about Letby.
My ex was a psychopath and tried to kill me. Everyone thought he was great. A real Hannibal Lecter.

This sounds like utter bollocks. The category and type of prison will give you a strong clue - men convicted for child sexual offences won’t be in the general population of most prisons. Also where do you look people up? Hopefully not on systems you shouldn’t be accessing.

In a similar situation.

Through work I dealt with someone who murdered a little boy. I often flagged up concerns about his attitude. Reading the news recently, it seems that my concerns were entirely justified.

Obviously I can't say more.

I don't mean the facts in the documentaries, but how she presents, her behaviour and how she responded to allegations, and her body language.

I know someone who thinks this and actually she just interprets everyone in the worst possible light, reads into everything as a possible sign, and then on the extremely rare occasions that a person does do something she tells everyone how she knew the whole time. She doesn't mention all the other people she insinuates are probably paedophiles, murderers or "my gut tells me there's something just not quite right about them" who aren't ever accused of anything.

I think your instinct would hold more weight if you’d interacted with her directly. All you’re seeing of her presentation and body language is what someone else has chosen to show. And most of it is during/after she was arrested. The court process is designed to make the defendant feel pressured and small and to present them as untrustworthy. The court process is the state attempting to prove the persons guilt, after all. Do you think most people’s body language might be hard to read in those circumstances??

Anyone seen Juror#2?

@Iris2020 I don't mean the facts in the documentaries, but how she presents, her behaviour and how she responded to allegations, and her body language.
So you have met her. Spent time with her. Can read her "normal" reactions and distinguish between them and her abnormal reactions. Because experts in the field who would spend many days / weeks with someone will tell you for a fact that not one of these things is a "science" and that not even an expert can come to a conclusive opinion based on how someone presents/their behaviour/ body language. These are not facts - they are entirly unreliable feelings, and in your case, based on a sliver of person presented in a slanted way through a TV screen.

I met HRH Diana once outside of Harvey Nichols. She had the eyes of Bambi but noticably the rough weathered hands of a manual labourer.

When i was young (centuries ago) I used to hate watching him on TOTPs not because young teenager me thought he was a perve, it just felt odd to see someone my dad's age trying to act young and all those weird noises he used to make were so horrible.

Friends in high places, e.g Thatcher who relentlessly pushed for him to be knighted despite being advised against it, Prince Charles, Edwina Curry who let him have keys and an office in Broadmoor. Then factor in he abused vulnerable and powerless people who were very unlikely to be believed if they spoke up.

And I will tell you again. Your self belief in your intuition is misplaced. Confirmation bias when we recall facts,events that suit our narrative. You have no idea this has served you well, as on multiple occasions you’ll have not detected someone has a forensic history or unpleasant proclivities. At all. You won’t know.

However, woo hoo and intuition folk like you won’t be swayed by mere facts, you’ll be doggedly persistent in your belief that you’re so intuitive

listening to podcast and going on,one doesn’t confer a deeper understanding. It just means you listen to podcasts

@CoffeeLipstickKeys without revealing myself i work closely with forces and can confirm yes , it has served me very well .

@CoffeeLipstickKeys without revealing myself i work closely with forces and can confirm yes , it has served me very well .

And she commented to a colleague she wanted to get her first death out of the way really odd thing to say.

No. Because you only recall your ToldYa moments. You don’t have special abilities to use intuition to detect bad uns. You just think you you do
if you are in a professional role it’s a it scary you think intuition is a legitimate screening tool

Next time you have supervision bring up your intuition gift .You do not need training or stuff because you’ve got intuition and the feels

One of the doctors in this case had "instincts". Turns out he might have been the subject of a few Datix reports filed by Letby. And here we are.

… and here come the convicted baby murderer defenders. Yawn.

@Plastictreees worrying isnt it - my thoughts exactly - She is CONVICTED

Just to clarify for those CLEARLY interested - I have not once said i rely on my ‘instincts’ to prove she is guilty ( not that it matters , i was not on the panel ) All i have said is in life , evidence of crime firmly aside , personal instincts of people have done me well ( up until now ) this does not mean instinct alone can charge people ( and anyone with common sense would know that )
I merely started thread to see if anyone knew her met her / and had feeling about her - nothing more nothing less . End of debate ( on this element )

Given that she is ALL OVER the news and every other news medium, you would have to be living under a rock to not be triggered…

Always amazes what people expect from an anonymous Internet forum like MN. This is EXACTLY the place that people who want to discuss stuff like this will come to. There are admins here to police it. You do not need to do so.

@NotsosunnyShropshire I've had the luck to have worked in prison and community. The big difference I've found is so many of the residents are falling over themselves to be on their best behaviour to staff to prove they have been rehabilitated. Then once they are out, they never want to come and see me!!

saying CONVICTED in capitals doesn’t give it gravitas. There are multiple miscarriages of justice were innocent people are jailed
Sally Clark
Guildford 4
Andrew Malkinson
…to name a few