Have you met Lucy Letby ?

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Just curious - watched documentary and i am convinced of her guilt and intrigued by her apparent wolf in sheeps clothing demeanour - Just wondering if anyone HAS met her /encountered her and what she is like ?!

The amount of people who knew JS was a wrong un, how did he get away with it for so long…

Why bother with judges, juries, expert witnesses, appeals and all the palaver of the rule of law? People could just come to you for the truth.

Do you not remember that this type of group think got many innocent women burnt at the stake as witches? Or that the ‘lucky’ ones were thrown into a river and their drowning was proof of innocence?

And I am saying Your intuition isn’t a diagnostic or screening tool that can detect bad uns. You literally don’t have an ability to detect dysfunction,or proclivities for violence by mere proximity to people. You listen to some podcasts and think you’re bit intuitive. You’re not

Societal norms that normalised sexual violence and minimised it with terms like handsy. Folk knew but didn’t feel they could legitimately complain. Didn’t feel they’d be believed. We’re reports were made they were not followed up, not escalated. women and children were not held in regard and there was a misplaced belief they were lying or embellishing events

I'm not the brightest of horsies, tbh. Think Thelwell cartoon horse rather than thoroughbred. 😢

Absolutely. I used to work in the same department as a criminologist who had interviewed several serial killers in prison. He said they are mostly ordinary men of average intelligence, no special charisma, no 'sinister aura', nothing unusual to look at, and talking to them is more depressing than fascinating.

I'd rather own Thelwell's horse than a thoroughbred any day! 🤣😍

It was Leeds.

I worked with Simon geldard ( he murdered his mam by beating her to death with a champagne bottle because she wouldn’t loan him her car) his dad was a politician. Anyway I was 16 working at Burger King while at college. We started together he often would be nasty to me name calling laughing at my innocents to the world around me. He once locked me in the walk in freezer when I went down to get burgers. Someone came into the freezer to get the burgers and I was locked in there felt like forever but probs 10 minutes. Few weeks later he smoked in the staffroom and set the sprinklers off ( you could smoke in the staffroom back then) but he was stood on a chair blowing smoke into the sensor. He was sacked that day. Whole shop was flooded Burger King lost thousands in stock because all electric goes off. That same night he murdered his poor mam. He will be out now! He was scary and I always felt uneasy about him.

Sonia Poulton (journalist) has an interesting theory:

It's very interesting to hear people's experiences.

About whether you can tell if someone has the potential to be a serious criminal, it seems to vary a lot. Apparently Ted Bundy was really charming and normal, but then look at Bryan Kohberger in the US, who recently admitted to the gruesome knife murders of FOUR people at once, including a large man. He looks 100 percent like what he really is, and by all accounts, everyone who interacted with him was deeply put off by his behaviour.

Aww that's so sweet! Horsie feels better now! 😍 🐎

Hmm.

I agree with those posters pointing out that if anyone who had met her had anything remotely significant to divulge in the context of her conviction, which is so unsafe it beggars belief, it would have been all over the press in a heartbeat after the trial.

The main fascination with her is that there is no psychological evidence against her, and if you believe the official narrative she just woke up one morning and decided to trash her career by abusing her trusted position as a nurse by carrying out acts that have not been reliably proven as methods of murder. And that of course plays into our fears that anyone, no matter how "lovely" / innocuous could be plotting harm. It really is witch hunt territory.

And for someone accused of a heinous crime or action, it's not until you go through the system, which you may have trusted, you realise how quickly it runs over you even if you are innocent.

Our justice system is adversarial, and not really about getting to the truth. It's a case of which side can "win". People don't want to believe that.

But just imagine if you were accused of a crime. You know you are innocent. You can't "prove" it, but there is circumstantial evidence being used that you can't debunk - your phone pinged in the area, you have been at the crime scene, you didn't get on with the victim.... it is presented as compelling. Your freedom and ability to live your life as you choose is on the line. Your denials are rejected. You are told you are guilty, over and over again. Your friends and family are interviewed. They don't "believe" you are guilty, but can't prove you aren't to the satisfaction of the police because they weren't there.

Your legal advice is that you can risk trial, but if you have pleaded not guilty and lose, your sentence and treatment will be far harsher. Admitting guilt garners a softer ride.

Psychologically you become paranoid, neurotic. If you are "too calm" you are guilty. If you become defensive or aggressive then it feeds the idea that you are capable of the act. You are just rolled around the system like it's a pin ball machine. Everyone involved in your case on an official level believes you are guilty.

It's a pretty horrific experience.

And seeing the title wouldn't be triggering to them? What an unfeeling response. You need to get a hobby that doesn't involve discussing convicted child killers online

I didn't ever ask. We've never talked about it beyond "Lucy Letby, was she that girl I met with you a couple of times when we went out after work?"

I've never really wanted to know tbh and my friend has never raised it herself

I’ve worked in prisons and most of the prisoners seem nice. Obviously, for many, this is superficial, as they are there for horrific reasons.
You can’t judge a book by its cover.

The problem is that in hindsight it appears that there was not lots of evidence. There were some bits of evidence that were severely edited before presentation to look more conclusive than they were, and a "star witness" - the only witness that allegedly saw her doing something - who is now a proven liar on exactly the point he claimed.

I do not know whether she is guilty or not, but I have sufficient doubt to consdier it needs relooking at, and I have serious doubts that the evidence available amounts to "beyond a reasonable doubt". My concern now is whether she could ever now get a fair trial anyway - whatever the outcome of that trial.

There have been an awful lot of people convicted with lots of evidence who it turns out did nothing. 900+ postmasters for starters.

I have serious concerns that the conviction is unsafe. And that should worry everyone, including the parents. Perhaps it will never be resolved, but if that were my child I would want to have the exact truth and I would want confidence that it is the truth. I can understand the grief it causes them to still have this going on, but a part of that grief must be that it is not widely accepted that she is guilty so there may be other explanations. In a way, nobody can control the actions of a serial killer, but if it was clincial error or negligence, then people end up asking if they should have noticed, should have seen it, could they have done something... Absolute answers are more "comforting", but that doesn't make them true.

Irony is a thing.

I know what you mean. My instinct has never been wrong either in real life.
And from the documentaries, I have a very strong instinct that she is guilty.

I think not everyone has that instinct and people.who say "you can't know" don't have it. After all some people thought you "couldn't know" about Michael Jackson... what had IMO been blindingly obvious for the last 30 years.

@Iris2020 Yes , not a lot of people do posesss it and it is met with disbelief and often frowned upon but i do believe it is a thing - doesnt mean we are above anyone or have higher intellect - it is just a feeling and in both professional and personal life it had served me well

this is how people get wrongly convicted, folks

@LT1982 if it triggers YOU why click on - its a ( with good reason ) public interest topic - move on with your day !

My partner met Saville and said there was something weird about him. But Shipman had patients and medical colleagues and practice staff. Did anyone think he was a murderer? Saw Rolf do a gig in the 90s. Packed out with students. He sang his hits, drew some stuff and it was a great night. No one thought ill of him then.

Used to work with Maxine Carr and Ian Huntley. She was very quiet, if a little odd. He was softly spoken and a nice enough bloke.
Who knew.

He was a fucking nightmare, everyone female and under 40 knew to keep well clear. I didn't live in the UK in his heyday so to me he was just the local gropey old fart who went to the same chippy and corner shop.
Absolutely hideous man.

Harry Gration and Richard Whitely both patted my on my bump when I was pregnant. It felt very inappropriate at the time. I mean, I was a total stranger waiting in a queue for a restaurant and they both just patted me.
(Same restaurant Savile frequented, which is what reminded me)