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To think that the USA is a dictatorship now?

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spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 20:24

Trump appears to have ultimate power. Who can challenge him? Who controls him? Presidents should not be dictating what drug companies charge for medicines on a whim, or indeed any other goods, at the drop of a hat. He says jump and the US says "How High?" What on earth have you done to yourselves and the world to let this evil, thick, orange toddler clown represent you? What the hell were you thinking?

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lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:44

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:40

That’s true. But he relinquished it before despite threatening that he wouldn’t, I’m not sure he will be able to not. I think what comes af the r him could be more frightening. Vance frightens me more than Trump in many ways.

There was an attempted insurrection though...

I don't think Vance has the adoring followers that Trump has. I do agree he is also dangerous though.

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:45

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:42

Liberal news outlets? Right, I'll get straight onto authoritarian news outlets instead, as you famously get all sides of the story on those. 🙄

I don’t give a shit about CNN or fox, both crap and biased same with BBC.

the bullshit you’re typing sounds like the rubbish I see on Reddit where they act like everyone is being arrested and kidnapped docs I’m black and have no issues so cut the crack about people of colour, nonsense virtue signaling.

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:47

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:43

There is literally no evidence that Trump engaged in anything like that, he’s he was friends with Epstein same as many other people and it’s documented that he cut ties with Epstein ages ago when rumors of the crap started but your man Andrew continued and was protected by her majesty his mummy.

if there was proof against Trump don’t you think Biden would have released it? They did everything to try to prevent him from running yet you think there’s proof against Trump and they didn’t use it?

Because it was sealed by a judge until January 25.

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:47

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:44

There was an attempted insurrection though...

I don't think Vance has the adoring followers that Trump has. I do agree he is also dangerous though.

My fear is that there is a growing confidence under Trump. The KKK haven’t been this confident in decades. So who will come after him? And how many people will now feel okay to vote for the next, potentially worse person? If someone like Trump can get in and someone like Vance can be his second, who knows who is next. Thee people are so dangerous. Like here, I don’t think Farage is as dangerous as other members of Reform are. But Trump and Farahe allow these people in and give them opportunities and platforms and it only gets worse. When we vote for men such as these, we allow a lot worse in through the back door.

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:48

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:34

We have laws against inciting racial hatred and against rioting, violence and causing criminal damage. People were charged, tried, and found guilty of breaking the law using lawful processes, and sentenced to a few months in prison. US sentencing is usually much harsher - people wouldn't see the light of day for years.

And now in the US people with the wrong coloured skin or accent are disappearing without lawful process or appeal. Get your own house in order. Good luck with voting out a dictator.

You’re talking about the riots, I presume. I wasn’t. People have been prosecuted in the UK for tweeting lyrics to rap songs that they themselves didn’t write. More people have been imprisoned here for what they’ve posted on Twitter than in Russia.

And again, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m not American. I find your obsession with bad orange man amusing considering you aren’t, either.

Lullabycrickets23 · 15/08/2025 22:51

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 21:00

Why do people throw around words like dictatorship and fascism these days without the slightest idea what they mean? It’s so tedious. Have they ever opened a history book?

I have read extensively about history and social psychology and political history. And I come from a country that experienced dictatorship.
I can guarantee you that that’s exactly how it starts. The rhetoric, the masses and the isolation and blame to specific groups. The power behind media and the propaganda about a return to a better time.
The final element? People that don’t see it and think it’s always about someone else’s country

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:51

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:44

Dreadful liberal news outlet. Read it before Trump blocks it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/23/immigrants-disappearing-us-cities

Anyone claiming they are scared are either illegal immigrants or idiotic scaremongers.

Democrats have done a good job pretending there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration so they can scare people. If you’re illegal you don’t have any right to work and live in the US, but somehow enforcing immigration laws is now racist yet Obama deported way more people than Trump.

The difference is Trump is putting up detrences to stop the bullshit at the borders where people fleeing for economic reasons falsely claim asylum and hand the system. But according to the guardian immigrants are SCARED to go out, what bullshit.

Do you notice her the article never mentions or clarifies if they ds legal or not, pretend there is no difference and use a catch all “immigrants”

They declare themselves sanctuary cities to attract illegal immigrants then pass laws to prohibit requiring IDs to vote, connect the dots on what they are doing but I guess you’re so woke they you can’t see it 😅

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 22:51

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:48

You’re talking about the riots, I presume. I wasn’t. People have been prosecuted in the UK for tweeting lyrics to rap songs that they themselves didn’t write. More people have been imprisoned here for what they’ve posted on Twitter than in Russia.

And again, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m not American. I find your obsession with bad orange man amusing considering you aren’t, either.

I think we should care about American politics despite not being British though, America is a huge influence and we have a close relationship.

But then we should also care about the politics of a lot of countries, just because we aren’t a national doesn’t mean we should t care. I care a lot about oppressed women in certain countries. I don’t come from there but I really fucking care about what’s happening to their citizens.

SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 22:52

lkjhgfdsa · 15/08/2025 22:47

Because it was sealed by a judge until January 25.

Yeah the judge sealed it to protect Trump 😂

TempestTost · 15/08/2025 22:53

Calling the US a dictatorship because you don't like their policies is massively silly.

There have been some interesting moves going on in Trump's second presidency around the US balance of powers. These haven't finished playing out yet. I suspect he'll win some, and lose others, but that's how political problems get solved. And deadlocks and inability to act has been a real problem in the US government to some extent and has become a contributor to political cynicism in the population and also polarisation.

For example, any backwater low level court judge being able to stop presidential orders etc for the whole country - lobbyists and political types have been using that to hamstring their opponents on both sides of the political divide, and it's a problem.

I think the US is in a period of its institutions being tested, which happens in governments, it's how they evolve.

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:53

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:48

You’re talking about the riots, I presume. I wasn’t. People have been prosecuted in the UK for tweeting lyrics to rap songs that they themselves didn’t write. More people have been imprisoned here for what they’ve posted on Twitter than in Russia.

And again, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m not American. I find your obsession with bad orange man amusing considering you aren’t, either.

I can find one case where a young woman posted grossly offensive racist language from rap lyrics in relation to a 13 year old killed in a car crash. Nice. She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge. Not locked up, more of a warning to not be so fucking stupid and horrible.

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DBSFstupid · 15/08/2025 22:56

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 21:23

God knows why Brits think their opinions on Trump matter, or what they hope to achieve by lecturing supposedly dumb Americans on their stupidity. The US elected him. Their choice, no one else’s. Look at the state the UK is in. How are Brits in a position to pontificate to anyone?

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spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:58

TempestTost · 15/08/2025 22:53

Calling the US a dictatorship because you don't like their policies is massively silly.

There have been some interesting moves going on in Trump's second presidency around the US balance of powers. These haven't finished playing out yet. I suspect he'll win some, and lose others, but that's how political problems get solved. And deadlocks and inability to act has been a real problem in the US government to some extent and has become a contributor to political cynicism in the population and also polarisation.

For example, any backwater low level court judge being able to stop presidential orders etc for the whole country - lobbyists and political types have been using that to hamstring their opponents on both sides of the political divide, and it's a problem.

I think the US is in a period of its institutions being tested, which happens in governments, it's how they evolve.

Well, yes that would be massively silly.

Calling them a dictator because they are going about their business and enacting policies exactly like a dictator and have even said they want to be a dictator is perfectly valid.

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SpryUmberZebra · 15/08/2025 23:02

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:58

Well, yes that would be massively silly.

Calling them a dictator because they are going about their business and enacting policies exactly like a dictator and have even said they want to be a dictator is perfectly valid.

What dictatorship policies? An executive order for pharmaceutical companies to stop charging Americans way more than other countries?

an exec order to stop people crossing the border illegally and unauthorized?

an order that people in the country illegally should be deported?

policies to push companies to bring back manufacturing and jobs to the US rather than sending jobs to low cost countries at the detriment if Americans jobs? Which will also reduce dependence on china a rival?

policies to level the playing field when it comes to trade?

which one is dictatorial? How many people have been killed or arrested for demonstrating?

As I said I live in Chicago and there’s literally a constant protest near Trump tower with no one arrested but you claim he’s a dictator. Get off Reddit and leave Americans alone.

Did you have the same reaction when lower courts abuse their powers to frustrate a presidents policies even though they know it will get overturned at appeal but they just want to delay and frustrate the process?

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:02

Bathingforest · 15/08/2025 22:01

I have 100s of American fb friends, great large estates, doing what they want on them, home educating, private schools, foreign or local holidays, what dictator is allowing all this variety of private life and property....and free speech, yes, haha

A Capitalist kind of dictator.

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:04

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 22:02

So tiresome, this type. No reasoning or debate to be had. So utterly convinced of their own superiority, full of self-righteousness, self satisfied and smug. And then when they see the supposed ‘far right’ emerging it’s surprised pikachu faces all round and wondering how it could have happened. Because leftists are incapable of discussion or accepting others have different views from their own.

So tolerant of all the characteristics that don’t actually matter and utterly intolerant of the one that does - diversity of thought. It’s why the left always ends up eating itself and degenerating into a purity spiral.

So you agree the far right is emerging?

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 15/08/2025 23:08

Trump would love to be a dictator.
He admires and envies them.

It'll be interesting to see what happens towards the end of his term.

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:09

Bathingforest · 15/08/2025 22:21

OK, so you do not see the many 12 year old girls raped here by the gangs and nobody doing anything about it....like really, where is the better part in this? A thread clearly about rivals the UK and the USA

Do you think children are not groomed, trafficked and raped in the US? Have you not heard of Jeffrey Epstein?

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:11

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/08/2025 23:04

So you agree the far right is emerging?

I said supposed ‘far right’.

TempestTost · 15/08/2025 23:11

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:58

Well, yes that would be massively silly.

Calling them a dictator because they are going about their business and enacting policies exactly like a dictator and have even said they want to be a dictator is perfectly valid.

And yet your examples are mainly stuff you don't like.

The idea that legislation around Big Pharma companies is horrible dictator stuff is kind of fascinating given the usual criticisms people on the left have made against American health care. Is it only big pharma that has to be given free reign - how about, say, medical insurance providers?

Many countries legislate what pharma companies can do and how they can sell and what kinds of prices they need to offer. Somehow it doesn't make them dictatorships.

There are real dictatorships out there, the thing they have in common is that the people have no way to choose their representatives, or in some cases, it's a sham. Think China, or Russia.

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:15

spoonbillstretford · 15/08/2025 22:39

You are horribly misinformed and frothing nonsense. Grooming gangs have been discovered, investigated, prosecuted and locked up. Unlike your President, best mates with Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn't make the grooming argument if I were you, it's not a great look with the US's appalling record on women's and girl's rights and how sex crimes and unwanted pregnancy are dealt with. Get some maternity rights for a start like a civilised country.

He’s not my president. Do you struggle with reading comprehension? How many times have I said I’m not an American. You’re expecting me to take this all this personally 😂

DancefloorAcrobatics · 15/08/2025 23:15

re dictatorship:

We could say Trump is trying to crack down on crime.

Or we could say he's testing the water of how far he can push Washington US citizens.

It's a bold move whatever it's intentions. Or does it feel like a bold move because of the way it's been reported/ portrayed?

www.euronews.com/2025/08/15/trump-deploys-hundreds-of-us-national-guard-troops-in-washington

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:18

SpuytenDuyvil · 15/08/2025 22:41

Trump is by far the worst president of the modern era. He is more malicious, more petty and more cruel than you might believe. It's shocking and horrifying. Most of the people who defend him on this site are not actually Americans. And, remember less than 30% of the voting population voted for him.

And how many people voted for Starmer?

Oh yes… 33%.

LemonCatsHat · 15/08/2025 23:18

VaseofViolets · 15/08/2025 23:15

He’s not my president. Do you struggle with reading comprehension? How many times have I said I’m not an American. You’re expecting me to take this all this personally 😂

Yet you’re arguing that the OP is obsessed with him whilst you seem to be overly invested in defending him.

Again, we should all take note of politics in other countries. It’s important to be involved in world politics, not just your own country. The rest of the world also influences us. For examples the current plastics treaty in Geneva, as an example, will an affect us and it involves over 100 countries. Just because you don’t live in a country doesn’t mean you can’t care about its politics.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 15/08/2025 23:19

They’re not there yet but certainly on that path.

Terrifying.

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