About Gender neutral loo

[paulhollywoodshairgel]

I was in a museum today and my daughter (15) left me to go to the loo. She then waved me over.. she said to me.. I’d rather not use the gender neutral loo. I said that’s fine and sent her down a level to the ladies. A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around. I’m ND and I always second guess myself 10000 times a day. I wasn’t in the wrong was I?? I just said ok go and use the other separate loo. Surely my child can pee wherever she feels comfortable??!! I hate conflict so I just said ok and walked off!

Gender does not “trump” sex- that makes no sense as a statement at all.

But that is exactly your argument. That a man's 'feeling' of 'gender' trumps the reality of sex. That is EXACTLY what you are saying.

Then why aren't they speaking out then against trans violence against women?

No, trans people have NO RIGHT to be angry with feminists because they can't have their way. Feminists are very understandably very angry with these trans thugs who are so entitled they think they have the right to access spaces that were never for them.

And no, trans people are at the top of the totem pole, especially trans identified males. They have their inherent male privilege as well as male strength and now claiming because of their mental illness that they are more vulnerable than actual males, when they are the most safe, most powerful and most privileged. Wearing a dress does not make a male lose their inherent Male Privilege and as we can see from protests against womens rights, it does not make these males lose their testosterone aggression and propensity toward violence.

A trans man is a person registered female at birth who recognises themself to be male.

Again you are confusing sex with gender. We are told they DON'T recognise themselves as opposite sex, but opposite gender.

They know they are trans because they know they were registered female at birth.

How does being registered one sex or another mean they know they are trans?

We know we are our sex because we go through that sex's puberty. It has nothing at all whatsoever with being 'registered'. We are our sex from conception, the moment the sperm enters the ova. That sex is confirmed when we go through puberty. What is written on a piece of paper has nothing to do with it.

Tandy's gender is, "systems of knowledge", only makes sense if you believe knowledge isn't based within the boundaries of reality.
Imagine not thinking within the bounds of reality (facts), you could then ignore evidence and you could change your argument to be right as you could bend your knowledge to fit your agenda.
The downsides are evident in this thread where Tandy cannot successfully draw upon reality within the discussion.
For example, there's no reality in saying men are physically weaker than women (whatever label the man chooses to use or not use). For Tandy the reality doesn't matter and in his knowledge a man choosing a label somehow loses power / gains vulnerability.
What a powerful label!

A trans man is a person registered female at birth, who recognises themself to be a male person,

No they females (nothing to do with being 'registered') who recognise that they are female but who recognise themselves as aligning with the gender of a man.

Trans people themselves say they KNOW they are not the opposite sex, that they never claim that. Yet here you are saying the opposite.

The assumption that being registered female at birth = being female is yours.

It's not an assumption, it is fact. Trans people, contrary to you, DON'T think they are the opposite sex. That is what they all say.

A trans man knows themselves to be male.

No as they themselves say, they know themselves to be female. They themselves REPEATEDLY say they know* they are not the opposite sex to their birth. But they also know they feel as if they are a man.

🎶 And now, the routers off
And so I face, the final curtain
My friend, I’ll say it clear
I’ll state my case, of which I’m certain
That blokes, they can be dames
It’s all the feelz, it’s just ‘what I say!’
And more, much more than this, I’m a T-R-A 🎶

With further apologies to Mr Frank Sinatra.

Trans is 100% pretence. Saying otherwise is ignorant and uneducated.

There’s a trans man on MN at the moment with an Ask Me Anything thread. She says she knows she’s a female, & that none of her surgeries or anything else have turned her into a man.

Of course those who could do with the education won’t be asking her anything.

Yeah, that's exactly why the MRA/TRA counter protestors have signs saying "Trans Women are Women". I've yet to see one that has Trans Men are Men. It's only about trans women. Funny that. Then again, since their whole entire focus is getting males to erase female boundaries, it's no surprise they are obsessed with male (transwomen) rights only.

SP's views on race have nothing to do with her rights to single sex spaces. She was in fear. And she wanted privacy and dignity. This is well established. The male sexual predator Upton was the bully who accosted SP for quietly waiting outside, and who kept dossiers of women who said no to him. He is the bully.

They do have the right to tell male bodies with penis and testicles that they don't have the right to use female facilities.

No THAT, is a load of rubbish.

MALES are specifically the target of feminists fighting to retain our HARD FOUGHT AND WON sex based rights.

Trans men are female. So no threat to us. But you know that anyway, so your post is disingenuous.

Just one more, I can’t resist. I’m carrying out my activism through the medium of song.

🎶 Oh yes, I’m the great pretender
Pretending that I’m now a girl
My need is such, I pretend too much
So into your loos I must twirl

Oh yes, I’m the great pretender
Adrift in a world of my own
Validate me, I’m a gal, can’t you see
If you don’t, you’re a miserable crone. 🎶

Elvis has left the building ….🤴

Your ignorance is sad. The evidence shows trans women commit sexual offences 5 times greater than other males.

Of course prohibiting males from using female spaces makes women safer. That is, after all, why female only toilets and change rooms exist, in the first place!

As trans people tell us themselves, they recognise themselves as the sex they are. But feel a different gender. You are contradicting what trans people themselves say.

I said sex was multidimensional and complicated. I still know that I am a woman.

Wrong. Sex is binary and uncomplicated. You are very baffled indeed.

Wrong! Those prison statistics are about PER CAPITA. A term I don't think you've heard of.

That you think rape is a 'lol' says a lot about you. Especially considering women and girls have been raped by males in prison and in the ladies toilets.

You don't own a mirror do you. Considering you don't believe in sex-based rights or spaces for women, you and your attitude is more in line with Saudi Arabia's. In deed and in fact, I've often thought you would be in your element in Talibanic Afghanistan and wondered if that is where you're posting from.

Yes, they do, and you know it. You just don't like the fact that evidence clearly proves transwomen PER CAPITA are far more dangerous than so-called 'cis' males. That is what the figures show. Not just in the UK. But in the US. And in Canada. When the figures say the same thing in 3 different countries, it's a conclusive pattern. In addition to the one posted above, I include 4 others. One from the UK, 2 from the US, and one from Canada (the one without the name). You cannot deny the trend. The evidence CLEARLY PROVES that FEMALE ONLY SEXED facilities which include MALES bodies with penis are more dangerous to females. Anywhere that males bodies with penis are with females, increase the risk. That data doesn't lie. And you know it.

@ThatBlackCat

Hopefully if Tandora is posting from Taliban controlled Afghanistan she can do a public service for the women she is so apparently determined to protect.

Tandora can advise the women to draw on their feelings of maleness, & then identify as men. That way they’ll be allowed to leave their homes, walk alone, speak to whom they choose, dress as they like, go to school, take paid employment.

I just can’t imagine on what basis this group of people are oppressed? What could it be they all have in common? Are they all the same star sign? All vegans? All support Chelsea FC? Oh god no I’ve just remembered, they’re all the same sex!

I wonder how many Afghan men identify into this female oppression? I’m guessing between zero and none 🤔

Oh the racists always bring racism into it. You disgrace yourself and make a fool of yourself by bringing race into it. Why don't you go for the trifecta and bring lesbians into this too.

Absolutely. Trans is a first world luxury belief. Like you said, no male in Afghanistan is going to identify as a woman and be forced to cover head to toe, not work, not get an education, not drive, not have a choice in who you marry and when and not laugh in public. That there is the proof that trans is a Mens Rights luxury privilege.

So hold on,are you now saying it is possible to recognise someone’s sex now? I thought you said it was impossible? You seem very confused.

you are confused. I’m not sure whether intentionally or due to capacity.

Please point me to the post where I said it is “impossible to recognise someone’s sex” ?

Oh my god being trans is not a “first world luxury belief”.

The stuff people say on here is truly appalling.

There are trans people all over the world.

My interest in trans issues first started with work I did in Asia.