About Gender neutral loo

[paulhollywoodshairgel]

I was in a museum today and my daughter (15) left me to go to the loo. She then waved me over.. she said to me.. I’d rather not use the gender neutral loo. I said that’s fine and sent her down a level to the ladies. A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around. I’m ND and I always second guess myself 10000 times a day. I wasn’t in the wrong was I?? I just said ok go and use the other separate loo. Surely my child can pee wherever she feels comfortable??!! I hate conflict so I just said ok and walked off!

Keep posting, you do half the work for us.

This level of Tandora-ment (portmanteau of Tandora and argument, all royalties to single sex women's and girls charities please 😂) reminds me of an ex-boyfriend.

He loved picking arguments with me over anything and everything (once memorably, because he told me I was stirring my tea in the wrong direction!), my upset, confusion and loss of confidence over wtf was happening was very enjoyable to him.

I'd never come across a bad faith arguer like him before, and it was incredibly upsetting and disorienting until I realised what he was doing. This style of gaslighting, bad faith arguing was just one of his many abusive tactics.

I have often thought the whole trans ideology has many overlaps with abusive relationships, and the rabid TRA arguments like Tandora's are just DARVO writ large.

Incarcerating a female in a prison cell with a man and being forced to shower near him is no better than being a woman living in an oppressive society.

The experience is exactly the same. No freedom from males and male rules

So now you’re comparing me to your abusive ex boyfriend? Because I questioned why you made a ridiculous assumption about me and my supposed “motivations”?

it’s honestly so outrageous the way some people behave on here.

It really shows people character.

What sex class are in jail for the majority of sexual and violent offences?

Care to answer any of the other points put to you?

You said...and I quote

"I put to you that every single one of them is either wholly or at least partially wrong. At best they are all significant over simplifications."

So I am saying "you just want that to be true"

Now you say you don't

So explain......

Well the good news is it only took me about 6 weeks of multiple posts across multiple threads to get Tandora to answer my 'silly' question. So if you are prepared to identify as a mule and dig your heels in you might get a reply by late September.

Why would I “want it” to be true that these things are false or overly simple? I don’t “want it “ to be true, I simply know it to be true.

It’s fine, I’ve seen enough of Tandora’s ‘workings’ that make no sense whatsoever. It’s now comical.

This is purely to show how ridiculous this has all got. They do the hard work for us.

So you'd just like us to ignore the report on rates of sexual offending when it comes to trans identified male prisoners?

Tandora would like us to live life as though there were somehow a big invisible and impenetrable barrier between trans identifying males just living their best life not doing any harm to anyone, and those other trans identifying males in prison for sexual offending.
Neither of these two clearly very different, separate, and distinct trans id-ing male groups has anything to do with the other according to Tandora. Somehow the sexually violent trans identifying male prisoners just popped into existence and go straight to jail (do not pass go, do not collect £200) without having lived and interacted with the outside world first at all? Seems unlikely!

You'd like us to ignore the many times a trans identified male has sexually abused a woman or girl?

Do you know who Barbie Kardashian and Isla Bryson are? I mean there's a lot more but they are pretty "famous" examples.

It never happens, right Tandora?
If it did, it wasn't that bad, right Tandora?

If it did happen, it doesn’t matter because it happened to a woman. And we would NEVER hurt a man’s feelings to protect women from physical harm, would we Tandora?

🎶 ‘Oh,Tandy
Well you came & you scolded on Mumsnet
But we all caught you out
Oh, Tandy
Well you tried to pretend you’re a scientist
But your answers were guff
Oh, Tandy. 🎶

With thanks & apologies to Barry Manilow.

I think we’re at this stage with ol’ Tandy.

😂 👏

I think the router has been turned off.

I understand feminism very well, you don't understand it at all, since you don't believe the fact that women are oppressed based on our sex, and don't believe females deserve rights. You shit all over the headstones of our foremother feminists who achieved our sex-based rights.

Why? Just to appease males?

Females deserve to be treated with basic decency, too.

You seem to have forgotten that.

Tandora genuinely does not understand that biology and stature underpins our oppression.

Then we need the power to call the police, like we had last millennium, and have them arrested and charged with Indecent Exposure. That will stop them. That and the good old fashioned beating men in society would give them, and if they survived the beating they wouldn't dare try it again!

We know you never said that.

But transwomen ARE male. And in every way almost all the time. And as males, should be excluded from female spaces, if you're sane and normal and understand the difference between male and female, and why female spaces exist in the first place.

Facilities are based on SEX. Not 'gender'. By a male using a facility for the sex he is not entitled to, he is absolutely doing something wrong. Females cannot help being female either, remember.

And no, a male in a dress has double-privilege. They are not even remotely vulnerable. Only females are.

A person is male by their DNA and chromosomes. Their SEX doesn't change, their gender might, but not their sex. Their bones will show male when dug up in 100 years time.

Your sex is not something you can choose. It's like your race and colour. You don't have a choice in your sex, it is your sex from conception to the day you die.

We are told time and time and time again that 'no one is saying they change their sex'. That trans and their apologists are not saying they can change sex. Yet you are saying exactly that, aren't you?

No you're not. You're passionate about mens rights.

No

You don't know it

You don't know any of it at all

You cannot explain any of your reasoning for your argument so you deflect and deflect.

Gender is a misogynistic man-made social construct, a non-tangible 'feeling'.

Sex is tangible and immutable. Sex is reality. And that reality is shown in our DNA and chromosomes, and bone tests.

You don't seem to understand that.

No it is wrongheaded to deny that DNA and chromosomes don't change, and we remain the sex we are born as.

You seem very confused between sex and gender, and your opinions are anti-science and ill-informed.