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paulhollywoodshairgel · 14/08/2025 18:59

I was in a museum today and my daughter (15) left me to go to the loo. She then waved me over.. she said to me.. I’d rather not use the gender neutral loo. I said that’s fine and sent her down a level to the ladies. A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around. I’m ND and I always second guess myself 10000 times a day. I wasn’t in the wrong was I?? I just said ok go and use the other separate loo. Surely my child can pee wherever she feels comfortable??!! I hate conflict so I just said ok and walked off!

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CohensDiamondTeeth · 16/08/2025 19:29

TheKeatingFive · 16/08/2025 19:15

Sums up what Tandora thinks of women's rights alright

Yep.

"you may not agree with me but you should at least be able to grasp how our perspectives/ opinions differ. It’s really not that difficult."

We grasp how your perspective and opinion differs, it really isn't difficult at all. Neither your perspective or opinion alter reality, nor do they make for good reasons to remove rights and protections from women and girls.

Trans identifying men are biologically the male sex, they are and always will be men. That is why they should stay out of single sex spaces designated for women, because they are men.

Tandora · 16/08/2025 19:29

Namelessnelly · 16/08/2025 19:25

So you’re saying you can’t define woman? So how does a TW “know they’re a woman”?

You might as well as somehow how they know they see the colour blue. They know it because they see it.

Tandora · 16/08/2025 19:32

CohensDiamondTeeth · 16/08/2025 19:29

Yep.

"you may not agree with me but you should at least be able to grasp how our perspectives/ opinions differ. It’s really not that difficult."

We grasp how your perspective and opinion differs, it really isn't difficult at all. Neither your perspective or opinion alter reality, nor do they make for good reasons to remove rights and protections from women and girls.

Trans identifying men are biologically the male sex, they are and always will be men. That is why they should stay out of single sex spaces designated for women, because they are men.

We grasp how your perspective and opinion differs, it really isn't difficult at all.

Great so there’s no need for people to continue to tell me I know that trans women are male and think they should be banned from female spaces.

Trans identifying men are biologically the male sex, they are and always will be men. That is why they should stay out of single sex spaces designated for women, because they are men.

yes you’ve made your opinion on that clear. It’s completely wrongheaded, but you believe it very strongly. I understand that I’m not trying to gaslight you by asserting your opinion is otherwise! I would appreciate the same courtesy in return.

Tandora · 16/08/2025 19:36

Namelessnelly · 16/08/2025 19:27

So what is gender? If it’s not an outdated, sexist set of stereotypes then what exactly is it, and why should it trump biological sex? For a so called expert on this you seem to struggle to answer basic questions.

I’ve answered this a million times.

Structurally, gender is the system of knowledge that gives meaning to sexual differences.

When it’s applied as a descriptor/ attribute of a person (e.g. Tandora’s gender) it means someone’s knowledge/ awareness/ recognition/ understanding of what sex they are.

Gender does not “trump” sex- that makes no sense as a statement at all.

Namelessnelly · 16/08/2025 19:38

Tandora · 16/08/2025 19:29

You might as well as somehow how they know they see the colour blue. They know it because they see it.

so you’re saying being a woman is all in someone’s head? Gotcha. That’s er…. an interesting concept and quite er…. What’s the word….. batshit. So a woman has no definition. So how does transwomen know they’re transwomen and not a woman? I mean if woman has no definition then transwoman also has no definition. according to you anyone can be a transwoman and access support and facilities for transwomen. So as in my area transwomen get free hair removal but women with PCOS don’t, I’m gonna claim to be a transwoman and get the free help. They can’t prove I’m not using your logic can they?

So the best thing would be those who are male to use male facilities and for those who are female to use female facilities wouldnt it? I mean, everyone knows what a male and a female is.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 16/08/2025 19:39

Tandora · 16/08/2025 19:32

We grasp how your perspective and opinion differs, it really isn't difficult at all.

Great so there’s no need for people to continue to tell me I know that trans women are male and think they should be banned from female spaces.

Trans identifying men are biologically the male sex, they are and always will be men. That is why they should stay out of single sex spaces designated for women, because they are men.

yes you’ve made your opinion on that clear. It’s completely wrongheaded, but you believe it very strongly. I understand that I’m not trying to gaslight you by asserting your opinion is otherwise! I would appreciate the same courtesy in return.

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at least I’m not trying to gaslight you by asserting it is otherwise!

Classic DARVO.

But that's probably made for bingo on someone's MRA/TRA card, so well done!😂

Great so there’s no need for people to continue to tell me I know that trans women trans identifying men are male and think they should be banned from female spaces.

Fixed it for you, you're welcome!

Unfortunately while you and MRA/TRAs are attempting to remove protections from women and girls in order to sneak men into their single sex spaces etc there is a need to keep stating the facts in the face of ideological nonsense.

Facts such as trans identifying men are male and do not belong in female single sex spaces.

AnSolas · 16/08/2025 19:39

OneCoralCat · 15/08/2025 10:07

Well yes, that's the point I was making. There is still that danger. So having one mixed sex loo, or several in a row, has no impact on that happening. The poster I was replying to said there wouldn't be any worries if it was only one loo. Which I don't understand if those are your reasons for not wanting to use mixed sex loos.

If the toilet row is
A) 1 female single sex
B) 1 male single sex
C) 1 mixed either sex

Rank the toilet most likely to have a camera if a sex offender only has 1 camera and has early morning access to all three?

Now which one is least likely to have the camera?

daisydreamies · 16/08/2025 19:39

Missanimosity · 14/08/2025 22:55

Oh my God, where the hell did you find a camera in a loo? And what do you mean they wee all over the floor??? They don't! You can say what you want to say, but when you use such silly unfounded arguments, it defeats your point.

As someone with 3 brothers, had to share a toilet with them and the one who cleaned said toilet, they absolutely do wee on the floor.

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 19:39

A man can’t help thinking he’s a woman, fair enough, that’s a him problem. But it becomes mine & every other woman’s problem when he, aided & abetted by people like Tandora, want us all to pretend that he’s actually a female.

These blokes can decide they’re going to use the toilets according to their gender, or whatever the blah, blah was. But sadly for these Twinkletoes they’ll have to use the one according to their sex. Not the pretend or made up sex, or sex in their head, or a bit of paper with bits crossed out. Actual sex, which nobody had a problem with until the beskirted men turned up.

Does being told No make a man vulnerable? No, it doesn’t, but it makes the women whose spaces he wants to invade very vulnerable. Most blokes having a wee at a urinal would probably just try and stifle a laugh if a bloke dressed as a woman came in. I doubt they’d approach them, they’d want to give them a wide birth.

There’s a guy who claims to be a woman who’s recorded every incident of him using the male toilets. To date not one incident. He respects female only spaces.

The only people shoved under the trans umbrella who are actually vulnerable are the children, stooges for married middle aged men to say Look look, trans kids! They’re just another attempt at validation. Funny there’s no corresponding group of middle aged women who are only now free to ‘be trans?’ Where are they? Why isn’t the group size similar?

Nobody’s buying the vulnerable b*shit. When’s the last time you saw a police car painted to support a group other than trans? Why just rainbow zebra crossings? Don’t lanyards come in another design these days? The NHS, BBC, the Civil Service, all completely captured & being run by their DEI departments. This is why the lawsuits are coming thick & fast. Instead of checking with the legal department as regards single sex spaces, they checked with the blue haired brigade in HR, who’d been trained (lied to) by Stonewall. How’s that working out now?🤣

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 19:52

Watch a recording of a Let Women Speak meeting. Watch any TRA gathering. Watch whenever women gather to protest the loss of their single sex spaces. Spend half an hour on X.

You’ll witness the most aggressive, least vulnerable group of men imaginable. Signs talking about decapitating Terfs, screaming & shouting at the women trying to speak. Using horns, loud speakers, pushing & shoving the security guards or the police to get nearer to the women.

Even Jonathan India Willoughby, on Celebrity Big Brother. Pointing at a female contestant in her 80s, virtually spitting ‘I am a woman, let that penetrate’ Even the public glare of being on tv couldn’t diminish his male aggression towards a woman.

Vulnerable, my arse.

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:00

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 19:52

Watch a recording of a Let Women Speak meeting. Watch any TRA gathering. Watch whenever women gather to protest the loss of their single sex spaces. Spend half an hour on X.

You’ll witness the most aggressive, least vulnerable group of men imaginable. Signs talking about decapitating Terfs, screaming & shouting at the women trying to speak. Using horns, loud speakers, pushing & shoving the security guards or the police to get nearer to the women.

Even Jonathan India Willoughby, on Celebrity Big Brother. Pointing at a female contestant in her 80s, virtually spitting ‘I am a woman, let that penetrate’ Even the public glare of being on tv couldn’t diminish his male aggression towards a woman.

Vulnerable, my arse.

This is absolutely not what the vast majority of trans people are like. A lot of trans people are very understandably very angry with gender critical feminists, but the vast majority of trans people are just like the vast majority of any other group of people- normal, human, not violent, not criminals.

And yes being trans makes a person very vulnerable to prejudice, discrimination and violence.

Namelessnelly · 16/08/2025 20:06

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:00

This is absolutely not what the vast majority of trans people are like. A lot of trans people are very understandably very angry with gender critical feminists, but the vast majority of trans people are just like the vast majority of any other group of people- normal, human, not violent, not criminals.

And yes being trans makes a person very vulnerable to prejudice, discrimination and violence.

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But how do you know someone is trans? You said we can’t define woman or man so how can someone know they are trans? How can a transman know they are a transman and not simply a man?

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:09

Namelessnelly · 16/08/2025 20:06

But how do you know someone is trans? You said we can’t define woman or man so how can someone know they are trans? How can a transman know they are a transman and not simply a man?

Again,- I’m not sure what you are failing to grasp here.

A trans man is a person registered female at birth who recognises themself to be male.

They know they are trans because they know they were registered female at birth.

What is difficult for you?

Namelessnelly · 16/08/2025 20:12

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:09

Again,- I’m not sure what you are failing to grasp here.

A trans man is a person registered female at birth who recognises themself to be male.

They know they are trans because they know they were registered female at birth.

What is difficult for you?

Edited

so hold on, are you saying men are male and that transmen are not men? So there is a difference? But you also said no one can define man and woman so my question is, how do they know they’re transmen are not really men? Unless the definition of man is an adult male human? Is that what you are saying?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/08/2025 20:13

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:09

Again,- I’m not sure what you are failing to grasp here.

A trans man is a person registered female at birth who recognises themself to be male.

They know they are trans because they know they were registered female at birth.

What is difficult for you?

Edited

How can they recognise themselves to be something you can’t define?

On this and the many many other threads you are on spouting this nonsense.

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 20:19

Indeed, the approx 0.1% of people, overwhelmingly men, who historically felt they would be more comfortable if they could ‘live as’ women, were, traditionally, a quiet, dignified group grappling with a disorder for which they could access medical support.

The American universities and queer theory, which seeks to dismantle stable categories, such as sex, hadn’t seeped into society. These men were left therefore, quite rightly, to manage this difficult disorder in peace with appropriate professional support.

They didn’t scream about being actual women, & demanding access to female only spaces. It wasn’t an ideology, it was a deeply painful individual experience. My recollection is that there was largely sympathy & compassion for this tiny minority of men.

But that’s not where we are now. These men, & we do occasionally hear from them, are largely horrified by the ‘trans movement.’

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:19

Namelessnelly · 16/08/2025 20:12

so hold on, are you saying men are male and that transmen are not men? So there is a difference? But you also said no one can define man and woman so my question is, how do they know they’re transmen are not really men? Unless the definition of man is an adult male human? Is that what you are saying?

What? I didn’t understand a word of this.

A trans man is a person registered female at birth, who recognises themself to be a male person,

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:22

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/08/2025 20:13

How can they recognise themselves to be something you can’t define?

On this and the many many other threads you are on spouting this nonsense.

I know I’m a woman.

A trans woman knows she’s a woman.

i know my mum is a woman.

I know my granny is a woman.

I know my child’s teacher is a woman.

Etc.

Yes there is no one single scientific/ academic/ medical way to define a woman - you can’t rely on birth registration, you can’t rely on chromosomes, you can’t rely on genitals- as whatever you chose there are always exceptions. It doesn’t matter. I don’t need to be able to exhaustively “define” the colour blue to be able to identify blue things when I see them.

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 20:26

Come on guys, it’s easy! These people are what they recognise themselves to be. That’s it, end of.

But apparently not if you’re a middle aged man who recognises himself to be female and also recognises himself to be aged 6. We can go all in on the trans bit, because hey, reasons. But the age bit? Oh no, no, that’s just a random bit of info on the internet. We can’t possibly debate why trans age is not as valid as trans gender otherwise the house of cards collapses.

Make it make sense!!🤣🤣

Spoiler alert: it doesn’t. Trans women are men.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/08/2025 20:29

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:22

I know I’m a woman.

A trans woman knows she’s a woman.

i know my mum is a woman.

I know my granny is a woman.

I know my child’s teacher is a woman.

Etc.

Yes there is no one single scientific/ academic/ medical way to define a woman - you can’t rely on birth registration, you can’t rely on chromosomes, you can’t rely on genitals- as whatever you chose there are always exceptions. It doesn’t matter. I don’t need to be able to exhaustively “define” the colour blue to be able to identify blue things when I see them.

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Yeah, you know this is bullshit but to be honest seeing you hauled over the coals many times is rather painful. You called Dr Uptonogood ‘he’, you absolutely know who is a man and who is a woman.

What is a woman anyway? Again, how can you be something you can’t define? How do you know your child’s teacher is a woman?

So by your explanation if anyone can be anything they feel they are, can a biological woman be say, a giraffe then? Without question?

CohensDiamondTeeth · 16/08/2025 20:29

Tandora · 16/08/2025 20:00

This is absolutely not what the vast majority of trans people are like. A lot of trans people are very understandably very angry with gender critical feminists, but the vast majority of trans people are just like the vast majority of any other group of people- normal, human, not violent, not criminals.

And yes being trans makes a person very vulnerable to prejudice, discrimination and violence.

Edited

This is absolutely not what the vast majority of trans people are like.

How do we tell them apart? Anyway my question is not really relevant, what is relevant is that all trans identifying men are male and should stay out of female single sex spaces.

A lot of trans people are very understandably very angry with gender critical feminists

Why because we said no you can't appropriate our stuff for yourselves? Because we see the reality of the situation, that they are men? That we recognise the underhanded, misogynistic and abusive nature of the TRA agenda?

but the vast majority of trans people are just like the vast majority of any other group of people- normal, human, not violent, not criminals.

Human? Wft?

Trans identifying males are still like the vast majority of other men - some will violent. We can't tell in advance which will be violent or not, so we keep all men out of female single sex spaces so we don't have to wait for a woman or girl to be harmed first in order to be able to tell which are the violent ones.

And yes being trans makes a person very vulnerable to prejudice, discrimination and violence.

Citations please for trans identified men who have been subjected to actual unlawful discrimination or actual physical violence in the UK (and not male prostitutes in Brazil) please? Hurty words and being told they can't join a lesbian group don't count, I'm wanting evidence of actual discrimination and actual physical violence... if you can find it!

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 20:30

‘One of these things is not like the other…’

I love this thread! It’s comedy gold.

My first is in man, but not in testes

My second is in woman, but not in DSD

🤣🤣

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/08/2025 20:32

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 20:26

Come on guys, it’s easy! These people are what they recognise themselves to be. That’s it, end of.

But apparently not if you’re a middle aged man who recognises himself to be female and also recognises himself to be aged 6. We can go all in on the trans bit, because hey, reasons. But the age bit? Oh no, no, that’s just a random bit of info on the internet. We can’t possibly debate why trans age is not as valid as trans gender otherwise the house of cards collapses.

Make it make sense!!🤣🤣

Spoiler alert: it doesn’t. Trans women are men.

I asked the same of a TRA on here, can an adult identify as an 8 year old then, or a white person identifying as another race. That was ‘mental’ apparently. But sex is fair game and perfectly plausible, despite not being able to define what a man or woman is.

Make it make sense.

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 20:33

‘I’m Brian!’

’I’m Brian!!’

’No, I’m Brian!’

’I’m Brian, and so is my wife!’

NeverOneBiscuit · 16/08/2025 20:37

Oh my goodness no, never conflate age & race with sex!

But how many times do TRAs try and paint us as racists and homophobes? So you’re saying that black people ….. so it’s just like when people thought being gay was an illness? ….. blah, blah, & on they go.

It’s funny to watch really.

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