About Gender neutral loo

[paulhollywoodshairgel]

I was in a museum today and my daughter (15) left me to go to the loo. She then waved me over.. she said to me.. I’d rather not use the gender neutral loo. I said that’s fine and sent her down a level to the ladies. A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around. I’m ND and I always second guess myself 10000 times a day. I wasn’t in the wrong was I?? I just said ok go and use the other separate loo. Surely my child can pee wherever she feels comfortable??!! I hate conflict so I just said ok and walked off!

I think the gender neutral loos are pointless personally. A radical trans person will ignore them and go into the loo that they feel they’re entitled to go into anyway. The less radical trans people (I assume trans men) will probably just use the disabled loo.

You did the right thing OP.

No , I never said trans women “are male”, nor did I say they should “be excluded from female spaces”.

Trans people cannot help being trans. They are doing nothing wrong by being trans and using the facilities that correspond to their gender. They deserve dignity and respect.
And yes trans people are absolutely vulnerable.

But transwomen are male. It’s the sole criteria for being a transwoman. They’re not female. Otherwise they wouldn’t be transwomen would they? Do you seriously not know TW are male? I thought you were an expert on trans matters? Were you lying about that?

All people deserve dignity. IME the people that demand respect are usually the one's who don't respect others. No one deserves respect, respect is earned.

If trans identifying men won't stay out of female single sex spaces they are doing something wrong.

Trans identifying males don't get to pull the "most vulnerable" bullshit any more, everyone can see that this is propaganda meant to emotionally manipulate people into complying with the TRA agenda.

If trans identifying males feel "unsafe" in male single sex spaces, they can use the mixed sex facilities.

It is inappropriate, cruel, and disrespectful to expect women and girls to give up their privacy, dignity and rights and relegate themselves to the position of emotional support animal and human shield in service to men.

Exactly they deserve to use the mixed gender single sex facilities of their sex. Then every one is happy

Do things like this really happen? I find it hard to imagine someone taking such a close interest in listening to random strangers' sotto voce conversations outside public toilets. Unless they hand around all day waiting for someone to come along and offend their principles?

I get a bit weary of all the toilet excitement anyway, so I may be unreasonable. But - it's a toilet. You go in, you use it, you wash your hands, you leave. I might notice if there was a huge queue or if it was dirty, but I don't generally run assessments of all the people in the queue and their possible trans/non-binary statuses. But when I was at secondary school, kids would smoke in the toilets and threaten to knock your teeth down your throat - so I may have low standards, frankly.

Double posted.

I know. So what’s the big deal if males have to use the male toilets? If they’re just there to pee like every other bloke there I can’t see the issue. They go in, pee, wash their hands and exit.

I don't disagree.

Oh my god.

For the last time. A trans woman is a person registered male at birth who recognises themself to be a woman.

Your belief is that a person registered male at birth is definitionally male. I disagree with this- as it is a simplism that doesn’t reflect the realities/ complexities of human diversity.

you may not agree with me but you should at least be able to grasp how our perspectives/ opinions differ. It’s really not that difficult.

Err no. makes zero sense.

This 1000% happened.

Definitely.

A true story.

I know right

🙄

Sums up what Tandora thinks of women's rights alright

i al v passionate about women’s rights

Why. You said transpeople want to be recognised as their preferred gender. So they can be. And they can use the facilities of their sex. Sex and gender are different things remember.

They can think they’re a chicken if they like. They’re still male and belong in male spaces. Humans can’t change sex. But the great thing is, gender and sex are different so they can still be their preferred gender whilst using the facilities belonging to their sex.

The only reason this appears logical to you is that you have zero understanding of what gender is.

I knew I should have used different terminology

What definition of woman are you using there mate?

Have a read , mate feministkilljoys.com/2024/07/10/define-women-and-other-patriarchal-instructions/?amp

So you’re saying you can’t define woman? So how does a TW “know they’re a woman”?

There are sites on the internet where people (presumably men) post footage from secret cameras in public toilets. They show unsuspecting women undressing, urinating and washing. Some of them are positioned to show exposed genitals. As for your other comment, mens toilets are often filthy, with urine on the floor, toilet seats and even walls. This is especially common in less busy places or where frequent cleaning is not available. You seem naive.

So what is gender? If it’s not an outdated, sexist set of stereotypes then what exactly is it, and why should it trump biological sex? For a so called expert on this you seem to struggle to answer basic questions.