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paulhollywoodshairgel · 2025-08-14T17:59:39+00:00

I was in a museum today and my daughter (15) left me to go to the loo. She then waved me over.. she said to me.. I’d rather not use the gender neutral loo. I said that’s fine and sent her down a level to the ladies. A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around. I’m ND and I always second guess myself 10000 times a day. I wasn’t in the wrong was I?? I just said ok go and use the other separate loo. Surely my child can pee wherever she feels comfortable??!! I hate conflict so I just said ok and walked off!

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:18

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:16

Yes. It. Is. What. The. Supreme. Court. Judgement. Confirmed😂😂😂

You could do with taking some of your own advice about posting nonsense everywhere.

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No it is absolutely NOT what they confirmed. You simply don’t understand what you are talking about. in law, in biology, in medicine and in real people’s lives.

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 20:19

part rest of

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:22

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:18

No it is absolutely NOT what they confirmed. You simply don’t understand what you are talking about. in law, in biology, in medicine and in real people’s lives.

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You're shouting at yourself in that mirror again aren't you Tandora?

The SC judgement was clear. Man and woman are not confusing terms. You are talking out of your bum as usual.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:23

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 20:18

It’s exactly what has been confirmed by the Supreme court
Not like any intelligent person actually needed it confirmed but it appears the trans community did.

Stop with this trans proporganda.

Anyway I’ve ignored my own rules to not engage with your derails as this has nothing to do with the thread …I’ve only come back as I can’t stand misinformation

I won’t be responding to further delusional misinformation on the thread 🤣🤣🤣

article re SC

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No idea where your screenshots are from or what on earth you think they prove. Please see the actual judgement and in particular rad paragraph 2.

supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:25

Funny how the clarification from the SC is forcing workplaces etc up and down the country to abide by the law regarding single sex spaces if we're interpreting it so wrongly isn't it 😂

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 20:26

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 20:19

part rest of

I’m off to watch Game of Thrones
less bloodshed 🤣🤣🤣
more sense

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:28

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:23

No idea where your screenshots are from or what on earth you think they prove. Please see the actual judgement and in particular rad paragraph 2.

supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

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The judgement did not make any claims about biology or medicine or whether transwomen are “men” or not. In law or otherwise.

The Gender Recognitjon Act provides that trans women with a GRC are women in law and the judgement does not contradict or replace the GRA which is an act of parliament. it cannot do that.

The SC judgement was simply interpreting the use of words in one specific piece of legislation as these words appear in that one statute. That legislation is the EA 2010 and the judgement sets out what the words “sex” and “women” and “men” mean only in that one act for interpreting how the protected characteristics of sex and gender reassignment should be understood.

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:29

BoredZelda · 15/08/2025 15:08

134 complaints in one year. Of all the times people had used a changing village in one year, there were 134 complaints? Of course one case of assault is one too many, but 134 out of how many is also an important number. Of course more will be reported in mixed spaces, but does that mean there is ultimately a major problem? Are the numbers higher than they have ever been? Has there been an increase or a decrease? 2/3 take place in the changing rooms, that’s still leaves 1/3 that take place outside of them.

How many assaults are reported on trains, buses etc? Are we looking to separate people on there?

Or, should we be focusing on who is perpetrating these attacks and finding a solution to that, rather than making this something women are supposed to be afraid of.

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Since less than 10% of women complain about these things, it's obvious it's a teeny tiny minority of actual assaults.

It's just about 'being afraid of'. It's about privacy and dignity away from the male gaze. Not just safety. That's what you don't seem to understand. Women and girls don't want to get undressed in front of males. This really should not need to be explained, it's logic and common sense.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:30

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:28

The judgement did not make any claims about biology or medicine or whether transwomen are “men” or not. In law or otherwise.

The Gender Recognitjon Act provides that trans women with a GRC are women in law and the judgement does not contradict or replace the GRA which is an act of parliament. it cannot do that.

The SC judgement was simply interpreting the use of words in one specific piece of legislation as these words appear in that one statute. That legislation is the EA 2010 and the judgement sets out what the words “sex” and “women” and “men” mean only in that one act for interpreting how the protected characteristics of sex and gender reassignment should be understood.

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

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Wrong

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:31

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:30

Wrong

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🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

read the judgement.

supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

Ddakji · 15/08/2025 20:33

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:44

yes men are men.

Trans women are not men.

Your point was about the need to use descriptive and specific language that people understand for safeguarding purposes. “Person with a penis” would be this (if that is the situation you are trying to allude to/ describe in your hypothetical? - I’m not even sure since your language was vague lol.)

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If only we had a shorthand word for “person with a penis”. Oh wait, we do. A man or a boy.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:34

BoredZelda · 15/08/2025 15:32

Will it reduce, though?

You think if someone is intent on assaulting a woman, a sign on the door will stop them? You think these guys are opportunistic and only commit the assault because the woman is right there in the changing village with them? 33.3% of the assaults happened outside of the changing area. 13 women, according to your numbers were assaulted in a single sex space. What will we do to stop that?

This is the problem with taking things out of context.

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You think if someone is intent on assaulting a woman, a sign on the door will stop them?

(I never lock my house at night, if a burglar is so determined to break in, you think a locked 'door will stop them'? We STRENGTHEN safeguards. We don't throw our hands up in the air and give up!)

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:40

Tandora · 15/08/2025 18:20

👍🏻

movvving on.

Back to the thread. I cannot imagine any parent of a trans child doing this or why on earth they would. The last thing a parent of a trans child would want to do is “out” or draw attention to their child in any way.

And why on earth would they care about what toilet someone else is using?
This is exactly the type of thing (intrusive interest in policing who’s using what loo) that people who love and care about trans people (especially children) are trying to prevent.

There must be more to this story. Can you break in down in more detail for us OP?

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The trans child wasn't with the other mother, so how we they be being 'outed' when they're not even there?

Trans parents are known for bullying others and wanting them to indulge in their world view that no spaces should be solely for females. They are on the whole, bullies and dictators and will take any opportunity to lecture people. This is trans parent 101. Classic trans parent behaviour. Anyone with any experience of them knows this.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:40

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:34

You think if someone is intent on assaulting a woman, a sign on the door will stop them?

(I never lock my house at night, if a burglar is so determined to break in, you think a locked 'door will stop them'? We STRENGTHEN safeguards. We don't throw our hands up in the air and give up!)

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It doesn’t make it harder for them though.

HardyNavyBear · 15/08/2025 20:41

LittleMG · 14/08/2025 19:10

She was wrong for approaching you your child can wee where she wants. However, I do think your child is being a bit weird, just use the loo fgs. You’ve not got to live there just have a wee and leave. I think I would have encouraged my child to use that loo but tbh my kids wouldn’t have been bothered, why was she so bothered by it?

Are you really as daft as your post implies? No one has the right to tell anyone how they feel or what they should be upset or afraid of. How dare YOU? I’m a grown adult and I wouldn’t want to use a GN loo. So now strangers like YOU are telling children, particularly girls, what to do and how to feel? It’s NONE of your BUSINESS. You live YOUR life how you want, but you have ZERO right to tell others how to live. It’s like pedos who now like to refer to children as adults and that these same children must take responsibility for their adult choices. Which is in line with the eventually call from said pedos that there shouldn’t be an age of consent which only benefits pedos. Are you kidding me? These are kids. They can’t legally get tattoos, smoke or drink or even vote but people like you consider them adults?! People like YOU telling kids, girls, that their fear and sense of self preservation is wrong? You are the problem, and people like you.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:41

Ddakji · 15/08/2025 20:33

If only we had a shorthand word for “person with a penis”. Oh wait, we do. A man or a boy.

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Except some people with penises are not men and boys.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:42

Tandora · 15/08/2025 18:41

When you refer to “policing other people’s language” do you mean the basic, universal courtesy of addressing / referring to people using words that are experienced as respectful and non offensive to them?

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It's not respectful to gaslight women to mis-sex their oppressors. It's disrespectful, hateful, abusive and discourteous. Women don't exist to enable their oppressor's fantasy fetish. That is not respectful to the oppressed sex.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:43

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:41

Except some people with penises are not men and boys.

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NO ONE with a penis is a female. Only males, only men and boys have a penis. This is basic science and biology.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:44

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:42

It's not respectful to gaslight women to mis-sex their oppressors. It's disrespectful, hateful, abusive and discourteous. Women don't exist to enable their oppressor's fantasy fetish. That is not respectful to the oppressed sex.

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“Mis-sex their oppressors”

dear lord. 😂

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:45

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:43

NO ONE with a penis is a female. Only males, only men and boys have a penis. This is basic science and biology.

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Well what can I say, some people have a BC that says otherwise. 🤷🏼‍♀️

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:46

BoredZelda · 15/08/2025 18:48

What is clear here, is nobody posting “intel” or “research” has the first clue about what good research is.

Using a load of media links to press reports means very little. It proves only that women are being assaulted by men. That we already know, and for the most part the venue is irrelevant to the issue being discussed here. The key question is, are these attacks more or less common since GN spaces became more available. Not, are more taking place in these spaces, but are the attacks more common. E.g if 100 women were being attacked before GN spaces and 100 women are being attacked after GN spaces, reverting back to single sex spaces might make a woman feel safe but her risk of being attacked remains the same, it just would happen outside of that particular space. How many attacks were taking place in SS spaces before v how many are taking place in SS spaces now?

Of course there is a rise in the number of women surveyed who would prefer a SS space. To suggest this is directly attributed to a rise in attacks is false. First off, we haven’t established an actual rise in attacks, but even if we did, would that rise be enough to want someone to express a preference for SS spaces? Secondly, how can we say the actual number of attacks has any bearing at all on their preference? Isn’t it far more likely that someone who hasn’t looked in to anything in any depth, but is bombarded daily with rhetoric on social media about how wrong GN spaces are, will say they want SS spaces. It’s a common phenomenon where people express a fear of crime which is totally out of sync with actual crime numbers and that is attributed to what they are being fed on TV, in the news, on social media. If you are told an area you are in is unsafe, you will hurry through it and report it felt unsafe.

Until someone points to “then and now” research of statistics which have been contextualised and adjusted for norms, saying GN spaces have led to an increase in attacks on women.

What is clear is, the only reason this is a hot button issue is to feed the culture wars that benefit some people either in power or trying to be, and those people have absolutely no interest in protecting women.

No what is clear is that you have no understanding at all whatsoever of the oppressed sex class. The ONLY REASON this is a hot button issue is because women and girls are losing our HARD FOUGHT FOR AND WON sex-based rights and spaces. The only reason it's contentious is because men and handmaidens have now found a loophole to deny women and girls our rights in order to pander to the oppressor sex, so they can 'benefit' from the crumbs men throw their way, like Aunt Lydias.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:47

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:45

Well what can I say, some people have a BC that says otherwise. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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You mean a legal fiction that should never have been allowed.

Trans identifying males are men.

"People with penises" are men.

"Trans women" are men.

Just men, bog standard and not special, simply men.

HardyNavyBear · 15/08/2025 20:50

CohensDiamondTeeth · 14/08/2025 21:52

Your daughter is not an emotional support animal for men. No woman or girl is.

You did the right thing, I wouldn't have managed to bite my tongue and would have told the woman where to get off, expecting your daughter to put herself in a vulnerable situation for the benefit of a man who has special feelings in his head? Fuck no!

Safeguarding, women and girls safety, privacy, and dignity are not things we should handwave away as "kind", in fact it is cruel and delusional to expect women to do this.

Don't ever second guess yourself over this issue, you listened to her discomfort and reinforced to her that it was fine to use the single sex toilet it really is absolutely normal not to want to be in a state of vulnerability and undress if there are males present!. You kept your daughter as safe as possible - which means not encouraging her to erode her boundaries in service to men.

Yes, when is it okay to teach our children, particularly our daughters, that they should ignore their own sense of self-preservation? To me, that is pedo talk, telling girls they should ignore red flags and their own feelings to satisfy mentally disturbed MENS feelings? That is one of the most misogynistic things I’ve heard in a long while and that’s saying a lot considering the world we currently live in.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:52

Tandora · 15/08/2025 18:36

I’m still waiting for their explanation of why trans gender is ‘real’ but trans age is not? Why a man can be believed if he says he’s a female, but not a 6 year old female

I’ve answered this repeatedly. Because there’s mountains of evidence that one thing (being transgender) exists : evidenced by vast amounts of research (see the 100,000s of peer review academic and scientific and medical papers published) , recognition in law of trans people , and health services dedicated to providing medical care to trans people across the world.

Meanwhile the only evidence that the other thing (being trans-aged) exists is a few random videos on YouTube (maybe the odd tabloid article) of some weird individual allegedly claiming to be a 6 year old girl and such like.

It’s like saying “why should I believe that Jupiter is a planet and not believe in aliens”. WHY!
And me replying that because there’s loads of scientific evidence about one, and no evidence of the other apart from the odd weirdo on YouTube who claims to have seen aliens.
then you tell me this isn’t a satisfactory reply and demand I answer the same question over and over and over again and falsely claim I’ve refused to answer.

Exhausting.

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We know mental illness like schizophrenia exists. There are 100,000s of scientific peer reviewed papers. It doesn't mean the male who thinks he is the second coming of Jesus, actually is. Saying that mental illness exists so it's 'valid' doesn't make it so.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:56

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:44

yes men are men.

Trans women are not men.

Your point was about the need to use descriptive and specific language that people understand for safeguarding purposes. “Person with a penis” would be this (if that is the situation you are trying to allude to/ describe in your hypothetical? - I’m not even sure since your language was vague lol.)

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Transwomen ARE men. Sorry you don't understand basic science and biology.