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paulhollywoodshairgel · 14/08/2025 18:59

I was in a museum today and my daughter (15) left me to go to the loo. She then waved me over.. she said to me.. I’d rather not use the gender neutral loo. I said that’s fine and sent her down a level to the ladies. A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around. I’m ND and I always second guess myself 10000 times a day. I wasn’t in the wrong was I?? I just said ok go and use the other separate loo. Surely my child can pee wherever she feels comfortable??!! I hate conflict so I just said ok and walked off!

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ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:58

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:08

You cannot insist that people understand the world the same way you do.

The world isn't run according to the basis of mentally ill people.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:59

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:58

The world isn't run according to the basis of mentally ill people.

Being trans is not a mental illness.

I accept trans people . This is not a mental illness .

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:59

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:10

Firstly
As has been confirmed by the Supreme Court for all those at the back that missed all their biology and basic life lessons called
Science and fact
Transwomen are men. In law. That is their sex

No. That. Is. Not. What. The . Supreme. Court. Judgement. Confirmed.

You don’t understand the judgement , clearly, if you think it did.

People need to stop posting this nonsense everywhere.

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Yes. it. is! Which is exactly why trans and their apologists are losing their shit over the ruling.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:02

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:40

It doesn’t make it harder for them though.

Yes it most certainly does! It also means we have the power to call police. Keeping males out of female spaces CERTAINLY makes it harder for them!

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:03

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:59

Yes. it. is! Which is exactly why trans and their apologists are losing their shit over the ruling.

No that’s not what the judgement says.

People are “losing their shit” over the ruling because it’s creating a load of problems for trans people, and gender non conforming people more broadly. Mostly because it’s been weaponised by a certain faction of society in ways that it was not intended; precisely what the Supreme Court very naively asserted should not be done.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:03

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:44

“Mis-sex their oppressors”

dear lord. 😂

Yes, I see logic and respect for the oppressed sex escapes you.

Calling a male with a penis a 'she' or a 'woman' is a 'dear lord' moment.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:04

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:45

Well what can I say, some people have a BC that says otherwise. 🤷🏼‍♀️

BCs can be faked. 🤷🏼‍♀️ You're either male or female. It's really that simple to anyone with an IQ above 30 and isn't a Mens Rights Activist. 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

Ddakji · 15/08/2025 21:05

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:41

Except some people with penises are not men and boys.

Of course they are. They might not like it but that’s the truth, and everyone knows it, even them.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:05

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:02

Yes it most certainly does! It also means we have the power to call police. Keeping males out of female spaces CERTAINLY makes it harder for them!

No the SC ruling is a matter of civil law- it’s about the obligations on service providers r.e. Equality / non discrimination . It has nothing to do with the criminal law or the police . Theres no law that prevents a trans woman from using a women’s toilet, that can be enforced by the police.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:06

Ddakji · 15/08/2025 21:05

Of course they are. They might not like it but that’s the truth, and everyone knows it, even them.

It’s not “the truth”. It’s your opinion about something that you don’t understand properly .

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:06

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:59

Being trans is not a mental illness.

I accept trans people . This is not a mental illness .

Yes it is. It's dysphoria and listed in the DSM. Thinking you're not your sex is a mental illness.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:08

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:06

Yes it is. It's dysphoria and listed in the DSM. Thinking you're not your sex is a mental illness.

Being trans is not dysphoria.

Dysphoria is the distress that can result from being trans. Being trans is not a mental illness.

You really need to stop making statements about things you don’t understand.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:08

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:03

No that’s not what the judgement says.

People are “losing their shit” over the ruling because it’s creating a load of problems for trans people, and gender non conforming people more broadly. Mostly because it’s been weaponised by a certain faction of society in ways that it was not intended; precisely what the Supreme Court very naively asserted should not be done.

You obviously have not even bothered to read the judgement.

It asserts that women are BIOLOGICALLY FEMALE.

'Creating problems' meaning keeping males out of spaces that they never had the right to enter, in the first place. Yeah, I don't give a stuff about 'creating problems' for predators and boundary erasers. They never cared about causing problems for women and girls.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:10

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:05

No the SC ruling is a matter of civil law- it’s about the obligations on service providers r.e. Equality / non discrimination . It has nothing to do with the criminal law or the police . Theres no law that prevents a trans woman from using a women’s toilet, that can be enforced by the police.

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When it breaches the sex discrimination act, it is against the law. And the fact police have been called out before, and enforced the ruling, shows it's able to be done.

Ddakji · 15/08/2025 21:11

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:06

It’s not “the truth”. It’s your opinion about something that you don’t understand properly .

Nonsense.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:11

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:08

Being trans is not dysphoria.

Dysphoria is the distress that can result from being trans. Being trans is not a mental illness.

You really need to stop making statements about things you don’t understand.

The DSM and medical definitions disagree with you. Trans themselves say they have Gender Dysphoria. You need to stop calling them liars and stop talking about something you clearly don't understand, and are woefully out of your depth on.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:11

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:08

You obviously have not even bothered to read the judgement.

It asserts that women are BIOLOGICALLY FEMALE.

'Creating problems' meaning keeping males out of spaces that they never had the right to enter, in the first place. Yeah, I don't give a stuff about 'creating problems' for predators and boundary erasers. They never cared about causing problems for women and girls.

it asserts that women are BIOLOGICALLY FEMALE.

no it doesn’t assert that.
think about it for a minute, use your brain- why would the Supreme Court be deciding things like that? That’s a matter of science/ biology / medicine- not law.

The role of the SC was to interpret the legal meaning of a specific act of parliament - the EA 2010. And the meaning of certain words in the context of that act for understanding provisions related to the protected characteristics of sex and gender reassignment. Nothing more than that.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:13

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:11

it asserts that women are BIOLOGICALLY FEMALE.

no it doesn’t assert that.
think about it for a minute, use your brain- why would the Supreme Court be deciding things like that? That’s a matter of science/ biology / medicine- not law.

The role of the SC was to interpret the legal meaning of a specific act of parliament - the EA 2010. And the meaning of certain words in the context of that act for understanding provisions related to the protected characteristics of sex and gender reassignment. Nothing more than that.

Yes it does.
Why wouldn't the Supreme Court decide on that? That is literally what the court is there for!

And yes, it proves that according to the Act, women are biologically female. As I said. But anyone who doesn't have a mental illness understands this.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:14

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:11

The DSM and medical definitions disagree with you. Trans themselves say they have Gender Dysphoria. You need to stop calling them liars and stop talking about something you clearly don't understand, and are woefully out of your depth on.

Ok I don’t have time for this.

Being trans is not the same as having gender dysphoria.

final words of advice. Before you continue to spout rubbish on mumsnet:

  1. Read the DSM.

2.Read the SC judgement.

3.Read the gender recognition act.

4.Use your brain.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:16

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:14

Ok I don’t have time for this.

Being trans is not the same as having gender dysphoria.

final words of advice. Before you continue to spout rubbish on mumsnet:

  1. Read the DSM.

2.Read the SC judgement.

3.Read the gender recognition act.

4.Use your brain.

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Per the DSM, per the medical definition, and per TRANS PEOPLE THEMSELVES, trans is Gender Dysphoria.

  1. Read the DSM. If you know what it is.
  2. Read the SC judgement, as it's clear you haven't. And use your brain instead of being brainwashed by flat earther science denialism.
Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:16

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:13

Yes it does.
Why wouldn't the Supreme Court decide on that? That is literally what the court is there for!

And yes, it proves that according to the Act, women are biologically female. As I said. But anyone who doesn't have a mental illness understands this.

No the court is not there to decide matter of biology and medicine. You need people with science and medical degrees to do that.

The courts role was to interpret the meaning of a legal statute- that’s their role as legal experts.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:17

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:16

Per the DSM, per the medical definition, and per TRANS PEOPLE THEMSELVES, trans is Gender Dysphoria.

  1. Read the DSM. If you know what it is.
  2. Read the SC judgement, as it's clear you haven't. And use your brain instead of being brainwashed by flat earther science denialism.

😂

5.look up dunning-Kruger.

Being trans is not the same as having gender dysphoria in the DSM. nor is this the majority view in the trans community.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:17

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:16

No the court is not there to decide matter of biology and medicine. You need people with science and medical degrees to do that.

The courts role was to interpret the meaning of a legal statute- that’s their role as legal experts.

The court rules ON THE ADVICE of people. Whether the case is about science, about sport, about the arts, it doesn't matter. The court rules ON....THE....TESTIMONY....AND....ADVICE of people called to give evidence.

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:18

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:17

😂

5.look up dunning-Kruger.

Being trans is not the same as having gender dysphoria in the DSM. nor is this the majority view in the trans community.

Edited

Oh the irony! You've made a spectacular fool of yourself on here, shown you haven't read the judgement, don't know what trans people themselves say about Gender Dysphoria, etc. All to appease males.

I hope the crumbs you get are worth it.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 21:19

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 21:17

The court rules ON THE ADVICE of people. Whether the case is about science, about sport, about the arts, it doesn't matter. The court rules ON....THE....TESTIMONY....AND....ADVICE of people called to give evidence.

The court rules…

ON MATTERS OF LAW

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