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paulhollywoodshairgel · 14/08/2025 18:59

I was in a museum today and my daughter (15) left me to go to the loo. She then waved me over.. she said to me.. I’d rather not use the gender neutral loo. I said that’s fine and sent her down a level to the ladies. A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around. I’m ND and I always second guess myself 10000 times a day. I wasn’t in the wrong was I?? I just said ok go and use the other separate loo. Surely my child can pee wherever she feels comfortable??!! I hate conflict so I just said ok and walked off!

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CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 18:57

This is a good article which explains why the compelled language around trans people is actually harmful to the person being compelled.

Pronouns are Rohypnol - Uncommon Ground Media

As part of safeguarding children, people are taught to use the correct anatomical terms (such as penis or vagina instead of whatever euphemism is typically used in their family group - my mother insisted on using "flower" when I was a little girl), this is so that there is no confusion if a child is sexually abused and discloses to a trusted adult. Obviously if I were a victim of sexual abuse as a child, it would have been harder to work out what happened if I had disclosed to a trusted adult that a man had touched my "flower". Using the correct anatomical words can be an important part of safeguarding children.

Similarly, using the correct sexed terms for males and females is important in the safeguarding of women and children. If for example you have a predatory male in a female single sex space, it makes it a lot harder to convey the issue when you say "there is a woman in the women's changing room, she's walking around completely naked", instead of using the correct sexed language of "there is a man in the women's changing room, he's walking around completely naked".

Language is important, words have meaning, and those that wish to compel you to use obfuscating language should be resisted at every turn.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:00

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 18:57

This is a good article which explains why the compelled language around trans people is actually harmful to the person being compelled.

Pronouns are Rohypnol - Uncommon Ground Media

As part of safeguarding children, people are taught to use the correct anatomical terms (such as penis or vagina instead of whatever euphemism is typically used in their family group - my mother insisted on using "flower" when I was a little girl), this is so that there is no confusion if a child is sexually abused and discloses to a trusted adult. Obviously if I were a victim of sexual abuse as a child, it would have been harder to work out what happened if I had disclosed to a trusted adult that a man had touched my "flower". Using the correct anatomical words can be an important part of safeguarding children.

Similarly, using the correct sexed terms for males and females is important in the safeguarding of women and children. If for example you have a predatory male in a female single sex space, it makes it a lot harder to convey the issue when you say "there is a woman in the women's changing room, she's walking around completely naked", instead of using the correct sexed language of "there is a man in the women's changing room, he's walking around completely naked".

Language is important, words have meaning, and those that wish to compel you to use obfuscating language should be resisted at every turn.

Oh please

the reason that “flower” instead of vagina is a safeguarding concern is that its a euphemism that people might not understand and is not clear or specific what it refers to.

in your other example you could quite easily say “there’s a transwoman running around the women’s toilets naked”, and not only would people understand, they would have a better and more detailed understanding of the situation/ context.

MyLimeGuide · 15/08/2025 19:01

Tandora · 15/08/2025 18:55

Well you have obviously misrepresented my post: either because you misunderstood it or on purpose to manipulate the conversation

Edited

Oh Tandora 💛 you are too sweet to argue with xx

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 19:02

BoredZelda · 15/08/2025 18:48

What is clear here, is nobody posting “intel” or “research” has the first clue about what good research is.

Using a load of media links to press reports means very little. It proves only that women are being assaulted by men. That we already know, and for the most part the venue is irrelevant to the issue being discussed here. The key question is, are these attacks more or less common since GN spaces became more available. Not, are more taking place in these spaces, but are the attacks more common. E.g if 100 women were being attacked before GN spaces and 100 women are being attacked after GN spaces, reverting back to single sex spaces might make a woman feel safe but her risk of being attacked remains the same, it just would happen outside of that particular space. How many attacks were taking place in SS spaces before v how many are taking place in SS spaces now?

Of course there is a rise in the number of women surveyed who would prefer a SS space. To suggest this is directly attributed to a rise in attacks is false. First off, we haven’t established an actual rise in attacks, but even if we did, would that rise be enough to want someone to express a preference for SS spaces? Secondly, how can we say the actual number of attacks has any bearing at all on their preference? Isn’t it far more likely that someone who hasn’t looked in to anything in any depth, but is bombarded daily with rhetoric on social media about how wrong GN spaces are, will say they want SS spaces. It’s a common phenomenon where people express a fear of crime which is totally out of sync with actual crime numbers and that is attributed to what they are being fed on TV, in the news, on social media. If you are told an area you are in is unsafe, you will hurry through it and report it felt unsafe.

Until someone points to “then and now” research of statistics which have been contextualised and adjusted for norms, saying GN spaces have led to an increase in attacks on women.

What is clear is, the only reason this is a hot button issue is to feed the culture wars that benefit some people either in power or trying to be, and those people have absolutely no interest in protecting women.

I'm a bit sad you didn't reply to my post earlier about how you think it would be helpful to remove social and lawful barriers to crime? And an answer to how you think we should go about reducing risk to women and children without the social or lawful barriers which protect them?

Why exactly do you want to make it easier for men to have unfettered access to women and children in their single sex spaces?

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 19:14

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:00

Oh please

the reason that “flower” instead of vagina is a safeguarding concern is that its a euphemism that people might not understand and is not clear or specific what it refers to.

in your other example you could quite easily say “there’s a transwoman running around the women’s toilets naked”, and not only would people understand, they would have a better and more detailed understanding of the situation/ context.

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But, but, but! TWAW! There's that transphobia from you again Tandora! Shocked I tell ya, shocked!

Exactly my point re: "flower".

"in your other example you could quite easily say “there’s a transwoman running around the women’s toilets naked”

Or radical notion! We could use correct sex pronouns and accurate language without having to do the mental gymnastics of calling them trans identifying women or trans women which apart from being inaccurate, not everyone understands that "trans women" means a person of the male sex. We know this confusion over language is deliberate. Those points are outlined in the article pronouns are rohypnol, they take up extra thinking power and are ultimately damaging.

I feel like that guy from catchphrase "say what you see", well I see men and will not be compelled into calling them women.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:24

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 19:14

But, but, but! TWAW! There's that transphobia from you again Tandora! Shocked I tell ya, shocked!

Exactly my point re: "flower".

"in your other example you could quite easily say “there’s a transwoman running around the women’s toilets naked”

Or radical notion! We could use correct sex pronouns and accurate language without having to do the mental gymnastics of calling them trans identifying women or trans women which apart from being inaccurate, not everyone understands that "trans women" means a person of the male sex. We know this confusion over language is deliberate. Those points are outlined in the article pronouns are rohypnol, they take up extra thinking power and are ultimately damaging.

I feel like that guy from catchphrase "say what you see", well I see men and will not be compelled into calling them women.

It’s not “correct” or “accurate language” though. In fact it would be confusing to a lot of people.

How about “there’s a person with a penis running naked around the ladies changers?”

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 19:31

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:24

It’s not “correct” or “accurate language” though. In fact it would be confusing to a lot of people.

How about “there’s a person with a penis running naked around the ladies changers?”

Edited

It is correct and accurate language to describe men as men. It may not be their preferred language but tough moobs!

How about no.

"There's a man wandering around completely naked in the women's changing room" as I originally said is fine as is. It's accurate, there will be no confusion from anyone, it takes up no extra mental power to describe them correctly as a man, and it's not harmful to me to describe men accurately with the correct sexed language whereas it would be harmful to me over time to keep supressing my brain in order to use the inaccurate and not correct sex "pronouns" that you and other TRAs wish to compel me to use.

Also double no (and that's the sanitised version of what I really want to say) out of sheer stubbornness for attempting to make me call men women.

Ddakji · 15/08/2025 19:32

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:24

It’s not “correct” or “accurate language” though. In fact it would be confusing to a lot of people.

How about “there’s a person with a penis running naked around the ladies changers?”

Edited

A man or boy, then.

maddening · 15/08/2025 19:38

SirBasil · 15/08/2025 10:05

there is still a danger that a unisex single occupancy toilet could be left in a disgusting state by anyone, and that anyone could put a camera in it.

HTH

Added to which, i know several people who won't come with me to my favourite cafe because there is only one, accessible, single occupancy toilet. It is... not lovely. But they simply won't use it.

Anyone could put a camera anywhere obviously - but sex based crimes such as voyeurism (including trying to film people getting undressed etc) is 99% of the time a male perpetrated crime (and transitioning even "fully medicated and surgical transition " does not reduce the propensity of men committing such crimes) - so men pretending to be women using women's single sex facilities or men of any identity using a mixed sex space would have a much higher risk of committing this crime

Noting the discussion of small locations such as cafes having a single facility - the lower volume/traffic plus the fact that these loos often open direct into the cafe space would imo reduce the risk (not of making a mess but of having time and cover for installing a camera) but it still has the higher risk than single sex.

BoredZelda · 15/08/2025 19:41

@CohensDiamondTeeth

No I don't think a sign alone will stop them, that would be stupid. But going back to single sex spaces and being allowed to shout it from the rooftops if a man enters them will help.
That is not the reality of what happens though. Time after time we hear that in those situations women don’t shout from the rooftops. They freeze, they go quiet, they might be on high alert, but the suggestion the mere appearance of any man in a ladies changing room will lead to people in it pointing and shouting ‘MAAAN’ is laughable. At most they are likely to finish up and go report it to whoever is in charge of the space, but which time the guy has gone. And what of the man. If he is dressed in a suit with a clipboard, or in a pair of overalls with a mop, will they be concerned? Plenty of research on human behaviour suggests they wouldn’t be. That’s a great loophole for any would be predator.

Opportunistic predators are... well opportunistic, so they will use any opening they can to their advantage.
They don’t need GN changing room, they just find another opening

For the last few years women who spoke up (or wanted to) had the additional fear of speaking out to worry about on top of predatory men, because of no debate, the "twaw" bullshit lie, no platforming, police over reach, loss of employment, services and health care etc etc etc.

Another “fear” that is not based in actual reality but in SM hyperbole. Women speak out about this all the time. But, what is being conflated is, some women who have broken the law have been dealt with by the police. Some women who have broken a company’s TOS have been de-platformed from that service. It is incredible when I see people here claim it is impossible to talk about this anywhere, not noticing that is actually what they are doing here and when their comments have actually been blatant transphobia, it is allowed to stand.

Now that we are slowly moving back to normality and the law has been clarified by the SC who have stated that sex always meant biological sex, women can now feel confident that if a man enters a single sex space, they can speak out, they are right to do so, and their rights to this single sex space are backed by the full weight of the law.

Except that isn’t what is actually happening. If anything we are in a much worse position. The law hasn’t actually been clarified. All it says is that in that particular instance, under those particular circumstances (where the word appears in the equality act) a certain definition has been clarified. The terms of the equality act hasn’t changed at all. Trans individuals are still protected under the equality act, and are entitled to spaces for changing etc. It can be argued (and I expect will be challenged legally) that provision of single sex spaces only isn’t legal under the equality act. Add to that, guidance from public bodies has not changed and is currently at odds with that definition. ScotGov has not issued any updated guidance so right now it is an absolute shitshow. Schools in particular are finding it very difficult. If you are a trans person in a public space at the moment, it is unclear where your safe space is. Trans women may well still use these spaces, particularly if they “pass” so if women feel that is a risk to them, now they are under a false sense of “security”

We are returning to a time where we can say the "good men stay out so the bad men stand out".

A rather pithy phrase which as I said above, doesn’t reflect reality.

I don't think sexual violence perpetrated by men will ever be stamped out unfortunately, but swinging the metaphorical doors wide open and saying "all comers welcome" was not exactly a clever plan to reduce risk or harm was it? I mean why put up any barrier to any crime right? Criminals are going to do whatever anyway so why not just let them? That's basically what you are saying, and it would be lunacy for the world to run that way.
We have laws and other social barriers for very good reasons, removing them was obviously going to cause those with criminal or predatory intent to celebrate the idiocy, and it obviously was going to (and subsequently did) cause incredible harms to women and girls that otherwise wouldn't have been put at such risk.

That’s my point. There isn’t anything in the statistics which points to GN spaces increasing the number of women who are assaulted. Of course we try and prevent crime, but we do it in a way that is effective and there is no evidence which says having SS spaces does that.

So what is it, do you think that removing all lawful and social barriers to single sex spaces is going to help somehow? If so how?

I don’t advocate for that at all. SS spaces have their place. There are women who for a number of reasons feel more comfortable with that, but not all SS spaces are designed for the benefit of those women either. Open plan changing rooms with no cubicles can also cause a lot of discomfort, we need to be engaging properly with women about what they need. Most often the “designed by a man” version of SS spaces does not suit but that a whole other discussion.

How would you "stop" these predators if you don't think laws or social barriers will help reduce risk?

What I’d love is, rather than message boards, forums, social media being awash with discussions about unverifiable micro scenarios where someone has said something trans ish, we have the same noise being made about men and boys being predators. Instead of parents picketing schools for their trans policies, they picketed schools about their lack of action on boys who are harassing and assaulting girls, their lack of teaching boys about consent and appropriate behaviour. Instead of the culture wars being about the tiny number of men who have decided to become women, (add air-quotes to your liking) they are about the other attacks on women from individual men, organisations run by men and governments of all colours who have refused to do anything to improve the lot of women in society. That is the only way any of us will feel safe. If we focussed on that instead of on who is sitting next to us whilst we pee, that would do way more to solve our issues.

BoredZelda · 15/08/2025 19:43

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 19:02

I'm a bit sad you didn't reply to my post earlier about how you think it would be helpful to remove social and lawful barriers to crime? And an answer to how you think we should go about reducing risk to women and children without the social or lawful barriers which protect them?

Why exactly do you want to make it easier for men to have unfettered access to women and children in their single sex spaces?

I have done now. Sorry, dinner got in the way, and it took me a while to respond fully.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:44

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 19:31

It is correct and accurate language to describe men as men. It may not be their preferred language but tough moobs!

How about no.

"There's a man wandering around completely naked in the women's changing room" as I originally said is fine as is. It's accurate, there will be no confusion from anyone, it takes up no extra mental power to describe them correctly as a man, and it's not harmful to me to describe men accurately with the correct sexed language whereas it would be harmful to me over time to keep supressing my brain in order to use the inaccurate and not correct sex "pronouns" that you and other TRAs wish to compel me to use.

Also double no (and that's the sanitised version of what I really want to say) out of sheer stubbornness for attempting to make me call men women.

yes men are men.

Trans women are not men.

Your point was about the need to use descriptive and specific language that people understand for safeguarding purposes. “Person with a penis” would be this (if that is the situation you are trying to allude to/ describe in your hypothetical? - I’m not even sure since your language was vague lol.)

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 19:57

Firstly
As has been confirmed by the Supreme Court for all those at the back that missed all their biology and basic life lessons called
Science and fact

Transwomen are men. In law. That is their sex so for single sex spaces which is what this thread is about
Transwomen cannot use women’s toilets because they are men…in law and for this purpose
There are mixed sex toilets and gender neutral toilets to accommodate Transwomen if they don’t want to use the toilets that align with their sex ie the mens

So everyone has a toilet they can use in this particular example of OPs
A young girl chose to use the single sex facility…good for her.
She has a right to the space

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:00

OneCoralCat · 15/08/2025 13:02

That's fine, no @DrPrunesqualer I wasn't aware there had been, how stupid I am.

I will have to remain with my original point then, that I don't want to be spoken for. I am perfectly happy to use them if they're there and I'm perfectly happy if other people don't want to use them. And that unisex toilets are not a new phenomenon, the outrage around them is.

Women flee men and escape to the ladies, have miscarriages, cry, seek help from other women, rinse out blood stained underwear and mooncups, wash out blouses with baby sick, wine etc on them. Many girls change out in the open near the sinks to go clubbing (or did in my day), etc. Any compos mentos woman knows this. No woman actually WANTS a male there in an intimate space where women are vulnerable. Not care, or be ambivalent (those ones who haven't been touched by sexual assault so don't know that vulnerability) is one thing. But actually want, long for, males to be in those spaces women flee to, to get away from them, is quite another.

Also you have not noticed, but the outrage over unisex toilets has been there since unisex toilets started. You just didn't ever notice, and our voices were silenced. Well, not any more.

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 20:01

Finally this thread is not about what a trans person is

Every thread on subjects like this get derailed by the likes of Tandora
Going over and over the same crap we’ve been hearing for years and over and over derailing every bloody thread.
We can’t even have a live chat during Sandies live court case without these bloody derails

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:01

BoredZelda · 15/08/2025 19:41

@CohensDiamondTeeth

No I don't think a sign alone will stop them, that would be stupid. But going back to single sex spaces and being allowed to shout it from the rooftops if a man enters them will help.
That is not the reality of what happens though. Time after time we hear that in those situations women don’t shout from the rooftops. They freeze, they go quiet, they might be on high alert, but the suggestion the mere appearance of any man in a ladies changing room will lead to people in it pointing and shouting ‘MAAAN’ is laughable. At most they are likely to finish up and go report it to whoever is in charge of the space, but which time the guy has gone. And what of the man. If he is dressed in a suit with a clipboard, or in a pair of overalls with a mop, will they be concerned? Plenty of research on human behaviour suggests they wouldn’t be. That’s a great loophole for any would be predator.

Opportunistic predators are... well opportunistic, so they will use any opening they can to their advantage.
They don’t need GN changing room, they just find another opening

For the last few years women who spoke up (or wanted to) had the additional fear of speaking out to worry about on top of predatory men, because of no debate, the "twaw" bullshit lie, no platforming, police over reach, loss of employment, services and health care etc etc etc.

Another “fear” that is not based in actual reality but in SM hyperbole. Women speak out about this all the time. But, what is being conflated is, some women who have broken the law have been dealt with by the police. Some women who have broken a company’s TOS have been de-platformed from that service. It is incredible when I see people here claim it is impossible to talk about this anywhere, not noticing that is actually what they are doing here and when their comments have actually been blatant transphobia, it is allowed to stand.

Now that we are slowly moving back to normality and the law has been clarified by the SC who have stated that sex always meant biological sex, women can now feel confident that if a man enters a single sex space, they can speak out, they are right to do so, and their rights to this single sex space are backed by the full weight of the law.

Except that isn’t what is actually happening. If anything we are in a much worse position. The law hasn’t actually been clarified. All it says is that in that particular instance, under those particular circumstances (where the word appears in the equality act) a certain definition has been clarified. The terms of the equality act hasn’t changed at all. Trans individuals are still protected under the equality act, and are entitled to spaces for changing etc. It can be argued (and I expect will be challenged legally) that provision of single sex spaces only isn’t legal under the equality act. Add to that, guidance from public bodies has not changed and is currently at odds with that definition. ScotGov has not issued any updated guidance so right now it is an absolute shitshow. Schools in particular are finding it very difficult. If you are a trans person in a public space at the moment, it is unclear where your safe space is. Trans women may well still use these spaces, particularly if they “pass” so if women feel that is a risk to them, now they are under a false sense of “security”

We are returning to a time where we can say the "good men stay out so the bad men stand out".

A rather pithy phrase which as I said above, doesn’t reflect reality.

I don't think sexual violence perpetrated by men will ever be stamped out unfortunately, but swinging the metaphorical doors wide open and saying "all comers welcome" was not exactly a clever plan to reduce risk or harm was it? I mean why put up any barrier to any crime right? Criminals are going to do whatever anyway so why not just let them? That's basically what you are saying, and it would be lunacy for the world to run that way.
We have laws and other social barriers for very good reasons, removing them was obviously going to cause those with criminal or predatory intent to celebrate the idiocy, and it obviously was going to (and subsequently did) cause incredible harms to women and girls that otherwise wouldn't have been put at such risk.

That’s my point. There isn’t anything in the statistics which points to GN spaces increasing the number of women who are assaulted. Of course we try and prevent crime, but we do it in a way that is effective and there is no evidence which says having SS spaces does that.

So what is it, do you think that removing all lawful and social barriers to single sex spaces is going to help somehow? If so how?

I don’t advocate for that at all. SS spaces have their place. There are women who for a number of reasons feel more comfortable with that, but not all SS spaces are designed for the benefit of those women either. Open plan changing rooms with no cubicles can also cause a lot of discomfort, we need to be engaging properly with women about what they need. Most often the “designed by a man” version of SS spaces does not suit but that a whole other discussion.

How would you "stop" these predators if you don't think laws or social barriers will help reduce risk?

What I’d love is, rather than message boards, forums, social media being awash with discussions about unverifiable micro scenarios where someone has said something trans ish, we have the same noise being made about men and boys being predators. Instead of parents picketing schools for their trans policies, they picketed schools about their lack of action on boys who are harassing and assaulting girls, their lack of teaching boys about consent and appropriate behaviour. Instead of the culture wars being about the tiny number of men who have decided to become women, (add air-quotes to your liking) they are about the other attacks on women from individual men, organisations run by men and governments of all colours who have refused to do anything to improve the lot of women in society. That is the only way any of us will feel safe. If we focussed on that instead of on who is sitting next to us whilst we pee, that would do way more to solve our issues.

Do you know what, I actually do appreciate you going back to find my post and reply to it point by point.

I think you must live on a different planet from me because all the things you say are SM generated non-reality based "fears" have actually happened to women who have not broken the law in any way shape or form, in fact their only "crime" was to speak out about males in female single sex spaces etc.

You don't see how single sex spaces reduces risk to women and girls? Ok well I don't think there's much I can do with that since the evidence has been there since day dot and is one of the reasons we have single sex spaces in the first place.

The laws have been clarified by the Supreme Court as sex meaning biological sex, however there has been a concerted effort (GLP anyone?) to confuse people and say that the judgement doesn't mean that at all. It does and trans women are men.

I appreciate that not going through the rest of your reply in better detail is shit of me, especially when you took the time and effort to reply so fully to me, so I send you genuine apologies. I may come back to your post later when I have some more time on my hands.

Saying that I'm going to plop down a few final thoughts, you want the focus on male predators. What, to you, is the difference between male predators and trans women predators? Are you excluding trans identifying males from the group "men and boys being predators"? Do you not think that MVAWG is something that needs addressed from multiple directions? Do you not think women are capable of defending their rights from trans identifying male encroachment, at the same time as addressing MVAWG on a wider scale?

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 20:02

ThatBlackCat · 15/08/2025 20:00

Women flee men and escape to the ladies, have miscarriages, cry, seek help from other women, rinse out blood stained underwear and mooncups, wash out blouses with baby sick, wine etc on them. Many girls change out in the open near the sinks to go clubbing (or did in my day), etc. Any compos mentos woman knows this. No woman actually WANTS a male there in an intimate space where women are vulnerable. Not care, or be ambivalent (those ones who haven't been touched by sexual assault so don't know that vulnerability) is one thing. But actually want, long for, males to be in those spaces women flee to, to get away from them, is quite another.

Also you have not noticed, but the outrage over unisex toilets has been there since unisex toilets started. You just didn't ever notice, and our voices were silenced. Well, not any more.

Thanks Blackcat
Nail on head, worts and all ! 🙏

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:05

Tandora · 15/08/2025 19:44

yes men are men.

Trans women are not men.

Your point was about the need to use descriptive and specific language that people understand for safeguarding purposes. “Person with a penis” would be this (if that is the situation you are trying to allude to/ describe in your hypothetical? - I’m not even sure since your language was vague lol.)

Performative misunderstanding again? Oh dear, you're really not doing that supposed phd any justice with all this "I don't understand, what can you possibly mean", no one buys it.

Trans women are men. Always were, always will be.

"There is a man wandering round completely naked in the women's changing rooms" is not confusing and is accurate.

SirBasil · 15/08/2025 20:08

. Or to the other poster saying it's always womens spaces that are replaced for new gender neutral toilets - which isn't the case.

are there stats on that? wherever i have been (not UK) to places that now offer mens, womens and mixed sex (gender neutral) toilets, all the toilets with urinals are still men's and the women's unisex have been on every other floor. That indicates to me that it is women's toilets that have been converted to unisex. Which is a massive slap in the face knowing, as we do, that we need more toilets for women, not fewer.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:08

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:05

Performative misunderstanding again? Oh dear, you're really not doing that supposed phd any justice with all this "I don't understand, what can you possibly mean", no one buys it.

Trans women are men. Always were, always will be.

"There is a man wandering round completely naked in the women's changing rooms" is not confusing and is accurate.

You cannot insist that people understand the world the same way you do.

NeverOneBiscuit · 15/08/2025 20:10

Tandora: you refuse to engage in the debate as to why trans age is any different to trans gender. Adults can’t be children, men can’t be women, but you think men can be women, but adults can’t be children. But you won’t say why.

We know why you can’t engage.

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:10

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 19:57

Firstly
As has been confirmed by the Supreme Court for all those at the back that missed all their biology and basic life lessons called
Science and fact

Transwomen are men. In law. That is their sex so for single sex spaces which is what this thread is about
Transwomen cannot use women’s toilets because they are men…in law and for this purpose
There are mixed sex toilets and gender neutral toilets to accommodate Transwomen if they don’t want to use the toilets that align with their sex ie the mens

So everyone has a toilet they can use in this particular example of OPs
A young girl chose to use the single sex facility…good for her.
She has a right to the space

Firstly
As has been confirmed by the Supreme Court for all those at the back that missed all their biology and basic life lessons called
Science and fact
Transwomen are men. In law. That is their sex

No. That. Is. Not. What. The . Supreme. Court. Judgement. Confirmed.

You don’t understand the judgement , clearly, if you think it did.

People need to stop posting this nonsense everywhere.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:14

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:08

You cannot insist that people understand the world the same way you do.

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Same to you little buddy!

The majority of the world understands that "men" means person of the male sex and "woman" means person of the female sex.

So again, "there is a man wandering around completely naked in the women's changing rooms" would confuse very few people - perhaps it might confuse people who don't speak English, who have a significant cognitive impairment, or the performative misunderstanders such as yourself, but I feel pretty confident that most people would understand common terms such as man or woman in the context which they have been used since we could use spoken language to convey meaning.

You feel free to disagree if you like, but you don't need to reply to me any more as we are just going round in circles now and taking up space in the thread.

Got anything else you'd like to say instead?

CohensDiamondTeeth · 15/08/2025 20:16

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:10

Firstly
As has been confirmed by the Supreme Court for all those at the back that missed all their biology and basic life lessons called
Science and fact
Transwomen are men. In law. That is their sex

No. That. Is. Not. What. The . Supreme. Court. Judgement. Confirmed.

You don’t understand the judgement , clearly, if you think it did.

People need to stop posting this nonsense everywhere.

Edited

Yes. It. Is. What. The. Supreme. Court. Judgement. Confirmed😂😂😂

You could do with taking some of your own advice about posting nonsense everywhere.

DrPrunesqualer · 15/08/2025 20:18

Tandora · 15/08/2025 20:10

Firstly
As has been confirmed by the Supreme Court for all those at the back that missed all their biology and basic life lessons called
Science and fact
Transwomen are men. In law. That is their sex

No. That. Is. Not. What. The . Supreme. Court. Judgement. Confirmed.

You don’t understand the judgement , clearly, if you think it did.

People need to stop posting this nonsense everywhere.

Edited

It’s exactly what has been confirmed by the Supreme court
Not like any intelligent person actually needed it confirmed but it appears the trans community did.

Stop with this trans proporganda.

Anyway I’ve ignored my own rules to not engage with your derails as this has nothing to do with the thread …I’ve only come back as I can’t stand misinformation

I won’t be responding to further delusional misinformation on the thread 🤣🤣🤣

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