To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

You mean the lengths I will go to educate people about sex, gender and transness and to combat the ignorance and phobia being spread on mumsnet?

You said …it might however involve constructing an artificial limb for them, and allowing them to use basic facilities for people with both limbs 🤷🏼‍♀️

implying that they are currently prevented from using basic facilities for people with both limbs.

No wonder you can’t answer basic questions about your ideology, you can’t even understand your own posts.

The context was under cross examination. Upton was refusing to acknowledge any other term for a woman than “cis woman”. When Naomi Cunningham referred to “biological women” he pretended to have no clue what she meant. I watched this live online.

No you just spout bollocks and propaganda.

It's not education.

It's disinformation.

The ludicrous phrase he came out with I and several people have already given you.

It’s funny that you respond to that post and ignore my actual questions which would help you get your point across.

Read the context my dear: It was an analogy in reply to someone who said they wouldn’t treat phantom limb pain by giving someone else their own limb. I retorted that this is not equivalent / a reasonable comparator of what trans people are asking. The equivalent would be an artificial limb and access to spaces for people with both limbs.

For someone who apparently has a Phd, your critical thinking and reading comprehension skills are severely lacking.

I think your supposed inability to understand users very clear posts is performative in nature.

You do know swinging between these two extremes of telling us how intelligent and knowledgeable you are, to pretending not to understand what posters are saying just convinces posters like me that you are not engaging in good faith discussion.

Not that I needed further proof of that to be honest, but it all paints a picture Tandora, and it's definitely not the one you think you're painting.

This is quite a pattern for you.

When faced with a lovely clear, well argued post, you just issue a flat denial. You don’t explain why you are denying it, you just do. It’s happened quite a few times now.

Then you ignore basic questions asking you to explain the basic tenets or rules of your ideology you ignore them. That is absolutely your prerogative but for a PhD student I’d have thought you be keen to practice your arguing skills.

I can’t tell you I agree with it unless I understand the context. But if the context was to assert a thing called a “biological woman” in opposition to a trans woman; then yes I would agree with DU that that it is a nebulous dog whistle;

Female at birth, registered female at birth, even natal female at the most stretch would be meaningful as an objective descriptor.

This is false.

I’ve explained these things as nauseam, but if people are going to continue to spout harmful nonsense like being trans is homophobic and sexist , I’m going to continue to state, as clearly and simply as I can, that this is false. Because it is,

🤣. Yep. But that wouldn’t be me.

Can you agree that your analogy failed?

Don’t worry, I’m not good at them either.

No she is absolutely correct.

All you ever do is spout propaganda and disinformation.

As I read Red's post the phrase "Tandora tenaciously disseminates disinformation" formed in my head like some kind of tongue twister. It gave me a small internal chuckle 😁

to the contrary it was a very helpful analogy. I’m glad the OP posed it.

Can you explain the difference between a philosophical belief and an ‘understanding’ of oneself as something you are materially not? (Which was your previous definition of trans)

this Is false. I do not promote “propaganda”, I promote accurate and meticulously reasoned information based on years of specialised scientific study.

I’ve explained this multiple times in multiple ways. Being trans is a bio-psychological state/ cognitive experience akin to all sorts of cognitive experiences that we wouldn’t think for a second to confuse with a “philosophical belief”.

That's not what I, or the others who are familiar with you have seen from you. Ever.

All we ever get from you is propaganda and disinformation.

I promote accurate and meticulously reasoned information based on years of specialised scientific study.

😂😂😂😂

Yep. Tandora dodged my long post and somehow maintains the position they think a two line rebuttals of all the inconsistencies is convincing other third parties onlooking here

Tandora is dishonest.

I did a degree in media. It included modules on political communication and propaganda.

I think I can spot propaganda fairly well thanks.

Or perhaps I'm not educated enough on propaganda. Maybe I should read some more journals and claim expertise.

That's not what I..have seen from you. Ever.

That’s because you hold your own strong ideas/ opinions on this subject rooted in ignorance and prejudice , and you don’t like those to be contradicted.

It’s what you see- I understand that. I certainly don’t take it personally or consider it to be any reflection on me.

This is actually amusing at this point.

Nice mocking of an auto correct. You know that was not what I meant.

A cheek swab is sufficient to identify sex. It checks chromosomes and SRY gene which the world athletics accept as whether an individual is eligible to complete as a female athlete or not.

A transwoman would not pass that check as a transwoman is male