To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

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"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

This. Photographing people without consent and sharing on social media is not ok.

You are right until, inevitably, there will be an actual woman in the changing room (hopefully not assaulted, probably just intimidated by the presence of a man) who will have the wherewithal to report/sue the company (as we now know it is against the law for a man to use these facilities), and then you may see some training put in place for the employees to ‘kick up a fuss.’ I can hope, anyway.

Up to regular members of the public to enforce it by complaining then voting with their wallet.

You are free to use the mixed sex option any time you choose. You are not entitled to give away private female spaces because you’re not bothered, on behalf of everyone else.

nobody should be photographing people like that.

But. If you are a gender non-conforming woman and you go out of your way not to look like a woman - then sorry, but you have to be prepared, when asked if you are sure you're in the right place, to say "yes". That's the point most people realise.

I have a lot of butch lesbian friends, and they agree with me that trans women (men) don't belong in women's spaces. But they are also self-aware enough to realise that by choosing to look how they do, they will elicit inquiry.

Or you know, the men (including trans women) could just do the right thing and stay out unless they are there for specified purposes (such as cleaners, emergency response).

You obviously think very little of men in general if you think they are incapable of respecting women and complying with the actual law.

If people don’t want to do the part of their job which means they enforce single sex changing rooms then they can quit. I don’t care if someone is on minimum wage - turning a blind eye to men in women’s spaces is unacceptable. I’m definitely prepared to help fund whatever legal cases are necessary until companies get the message.

also: I'm not in UK. Places like H&M, C&A and so on have changing rooms. Which everyone uses. There are zero issues.

Where bras are tried on in C&A it is the same. up to now, no issues. But people don't behave like wankers, so...

I am a butch looking woman (much more so since I lost my hair - three guesses why). I'm bringing myself in to it. I will not be justifying my presence in any space, to anyone. If anyone asks me they will be told to fuck off, or not replied to. The dirty look I got in a park toilet the other week? I gave it right back. I don't owe anyone an explanation.

It really isn't complicated - and won't be complicated in reality...
we are just going back to before people started to spread disinformation about their 'entitlements'

worked then - will work now...

I applaud you for thinking retail and hospitality staff have the time to sit around outside toilets policing this.

And yes, I will be refusing to do this if asked. I have an actual job to do that’s more important than scrutinising people’s appearance.

None of my trans friends are going to forced out of spaces that they've been using forever, while I'm around. I'll speak up for them and I'll go with them. Whether that's accompanying them to the women's, or if push really does come to shove, coming with them in to the men's. After all I'm one of those masculine looking women (bald, tall, muscular, wears 'men's' clothes) that have been bullied out of changing rooms and given dirty looks.
You can't force me to exclude my friends. I will not be knowingly using any spaces that do.

Good for you, @VioletandDill.

I'm really concerned for my TW friend, and a couple of my butch-looking lesbian friends and colleagues. One of the latter has already been threatened in the toilet in Sainsbury's, ffs.

You appear to have displaced anger about this.

This kind of thing wouldn't happen if men had stuck to the correct toilets for their sex. Trans women know they are male. They had no right to be there in the first place.

There's someone where I work who for ages I wasn't at all sure if they were male or female. Even the pitch of their voice didn't help.

I'm now assuming they're female because they have a female name on their ID badge, but I'm not 100% sure.

I'm really concerned for my TW friend

There won't be an issue as long as he goes to the men's loos, not the women's. Because he's not a woman.

No-one would have been questioning whether butch/masculine women are actually women if it wasn't for men LARPing as women who shoved their way into women's spaces. Before it was just assumed that all people in women's single sex spaces were women. Now we have to check. That is the fault of trans-identifying men and their handmaid supporters who felt they had the right to grant access to women's spaces to those who had no right to be there.

This.

A predatory man could just as easily gain access to a women’s toilet by posing as a cleaner or repair man as by posing as a woman.

Men are flagrantly breaking the law round here encouraged by a lot of women and nobody is doing anything about it. I refused to go to a friend's wedding after she boasted on Facebook about how she had insisted on some trans friends using the ladies.
I know these friends and they are all entire males with no intention of having any operations.
Some women don't seem to understand how very fragile womens rights are. If they did understand they would do everything in their power to preserve those rights.

This kind of thing wouldn't happen if the media, helped by a billionaire and the world's most divorced man, hadn't whipped people up in to a frenzy about a small minority of the population who have been using spaces that they have been entitled to use since, ever. I, and my community (admittedly a bit of a bubble) have been sharing spaces with them for decades without incident.

It's only been since the EHRC ruling and Rowling's obsessive tweeting that I've felt unsafe. The dirty looks and the stares have really ramped up since then, and I'm now reading that I have to be a good girl and talk nicely to people who ask me if I belong there? I have to accept being photographed and harassed? No. I refuse.

Yep. A dangerous man isn’t going to bother with trying to pose as a woman. There are dangerous men out there, being trans doesn’t make someone a threat.

And just to add I'm not trying to trying to appear butch. It's not a choice. I have PCOS which causes excess hair, have lost the hair on my head, and I'm tall because my parents are. I'm not ashamed, I don't feel ugly, my husband still finds me attractive. (Not all butch women are gay)

Men are not a small minority of the population.

We keep trans women out of women's single sex spaces because they are men.

If retail staff like myself are forced to do this then I’ll just ID every person who tries to access a basic right like a toilet. A lot of people would feel the same.

If your transphobia means humiliating a minority part of society then be prepared to live by that law and carry your birth certificate at all times.

You seem confused. It's not the trans part that's the issue it's the male/ man part.

Men commit 98% of sexual crimes , there is no evidence to support that trans women behave any differently from other men.

What you propose is that we create an entirely self identified sacred caste of men without consideration of the safety and dignity of women.

That never ever bodes well for women.

This.

Then you will be rightly fired.