To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

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I give up

Probably best 🤷‍♀️

I just don’t believe they can be meaningfully categorised as the opposite sex in any sense.

This is the crux of it

Then you don’t have anything to worry about do you :)

@Tandora So what do we do?

We do what we have already done. Where possible, we amend our laws to make their lives easier, for example to protect them from discrimination and to allow them to marry a partner of the same sex. Again where possible, we try to soften the polarised male/female structures in our society, for example by providing more single-person public toilets. We treat them with compassion.

But that's all we do. The more we normalise their delusion, the more we risk signalling to other vulnerable people - including children - that it is a valid lifestyle choice without negative consequences. And we cannot allow sex-based rights to be eroded for their sake.

Someone earlier mentioned phantom limb pain. Say we discovered there were things we could do to eliminate that pain- treatments that corresponded to a reduction in pain/ distress. Do we simply refuse to treat it? Because they don’t have a limb and that would be reinforcing a false reality? And no one is obliged to validate someone else’s false reality . Do we condemn people with phantom limb pain to a lifetime of intense pain when this isn’t necessary?

Of course not. Their limb might not be there but their pain is real , so we treat it because we can,

Being trans is not a “lifestyle choice”. Being trans is a real condition and it is 100% valid:

What's the definition of trans as a condition?

well no, unless they insert themselves in places where women don’t want them.

So what do we do?

Let transpeople live as they wish -after all, they have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment - but not claim that they can encroach on single sex spaces, services or sports designated for the opposite sex. Lobby for suitable alternative arrangements, if they do not exist already.

It wasn’t women who made things difficult for transpeople. It was the gender lobby that, by pushing for gender self-id, got us here, resulting in the general public becoming progressively less supportive of genderism.

Ah but being allowed to use facilities for women is part of living as a woman you see: that thing you declared to be impossible.

If curing their phantom limb pain involved giving them one of my limbs instead, you can be sure that I’d have something to say about the reasonableness of that.

No it isn't, it's being a predatory man

But using facilities for women doesn’t make one a woman, does it? Are all male toddlers with their mums “women” now then?

No it doesn’t involve giving them your limb.
it might however involve constructing an artificial limb for them, and allowing them to use basic facilities for people with both limbs 🤷🏼‍♀️

Of course it doesn’t make them women: nobody said that:

But using facilities for women is part of living as a woman in society.

If a man does it, it's part of being a predator

I won’t say what came to mind in response to this as it will get me in trouble

They can have their artificial limb with no objection whatsoever from me as it doesn’t affect me. Luckily we don’t have toilet and changing room segregation by numbers of limbs, unlike how we do with sex.

I hope you extend this same liberal and humane attitude to trans healthcare.

And regarding policy. What if we did?

Is the male toddler 'living as a woman'?

But they aren’t women. It’s as simple as that. And nothing can make them women, and most people don’t see them as women, but men.

Feel free to crack on with your bizarre limb numbered loos campaign if it’s important to you. I’ll skip it, if it’s all the same.

The pain is there, and we know why it’s there - nerve damage and the way we know pain is perceived in the brain. There are genuine, well-understood reasons for the pain, and there are a range of options for treatment, though they’re not always successful.

But amputation of a limb - significant physical trauma - is not a good analogy for a condition that hasn’t been shown to have any physiological cause.

No . Using the female toilets doesn’t mean you are necessarily living as a woman.
But living as a woman in society includes using women’s facilities/ services.