To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

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"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

I wholly agree being 'trans' is not a philosophical belief. It's classed as a sexual disorder in the ICD.

Some people believe themselves to feel as how they imagine the opposite sex feels.

This does not make them the opposite sex nor entitle them to use the rights of the opposite sex.

they can’t be outed

EVERYONE ALWAYS KNOWS WITH THEIR EYES

It’s insane you think anyone ever passes they really don’t! Friends and family are just BEING POLITE

THEY ALWAYS LOOK LIKE THEIR ACTUAL SEX

Where, exactly, do they get this
“understanding/ experience of/ knowledge of self as being a female /”

this is a good question. Start asking it with genuine curiosity and then educate yourself.

DO you think sex is a costume you can pop on? Just pretty dresses, nails and prosecco?

No.

What makes them trans. Is a serious trauma event which has lead them to find something that keeps their mind off it, and it’s pretending they are the other sex. They believe it, I know that, but it’s still not true.

No this is false and your ignorance/ prejudice about trans people. Being trans isn’t not caused by trauma.

This is not true.

'Outed' that they have an inner belief that is not congruent with reality.

So long as people follow the law and dont attempt to foist themselves on people in spaces and services provided for the opposite sex, there will be no 'outing'.

Being trans is their reality:

the incongruence with reality is yours and your failure to recognise and accept trans people.

Tandora, what catheter should a transwoman use, if they've not had any genital or urological surgery?

It’s literally 100% true. You can always, always tell. We ALL KNOW if it’s a bloke in a dress. Every single time. Trans people have no privacy about BEING TRANS it’s obvious about every single one of them. Insane to think otherwise. Every trans person is very very obviously trans. All of them.

But transwomen are men. They are not women. They will be perfectly fine in the men’s facilities.

Their reality is that they are trans

We even believe they are trans, I don’t;t deny it, they are all over the place

what we deny is that they in any way change sex or have the options available to the opposite sex. That’s all

They don’t have the right to enter spaces dedicated to the opposite sex. Not now not ever and the law backs this up

the game is up, its over. Give up.

Umm…. Theirs only one reality and that is that humans can’t change sex, gender is a load of sexist bollocks and transwomen are men.

It is not possible for a male person to understand or experience or have knowledge of themselves as female.

or vice versa.

Bodies define sex define experience, knowledge, and understanding, from infancy on. The body is sexed from conception. A microscopic ball of cells already has the sex it will have until death.

A male person might imagine themselves as something they think (with their male-experienced mind) as 'female', but that is all it is, a man's imagination, and without any experience of having a female body it is always going to be deeply deficient. It is very unkind to all concerned to pretend otherwise.

It is not possible for a male person to understand or experience or have knowledge of themselves as female.

Right.

this is precisely the denial. The denial of the reality of the existence of trans people that I am speaking of,

It absolutely is possible to be registered male at birth and to understand / experience/ have knowledge of self as female. this is what it is to be trans. It’s not common, it’s rare, but it’s a form of human diversity that exists in the world. It’s real. It’s material. It’s valid, and there’s actually nothing inherently wrong about it at all.

This is the reality of human diversity. You don’t understand it.

it doesn’t make sense to you as it doesn’t fit your life experience or your beliefs about people/ the world. But it is the empirical reality. It cannot sustainably be repressed or denied because it simply is.

But how do they know what they are feeling is “female”. What are they comparing it to? are they so sexist as to believe all females feel and think the same? Or are they relying on outdated sexist stereotypes of what they think women feel like? Can you give examples of a feeling all females have in common thst these males also have?

Nonsense. Without a female body, without living in that female body all your life, you cannot know what being female feels like. We are our bodies, our bodies are us.

Stop lying to yourself.

So what's the empirical reality about catheterising transwomen safely?

Can anyone hear me?

Is this real life? Is this just fantasy?

Don't you know there's no escape from biological reality?

Why does every trans person have so many comorbidities then. Coincidence?

Men cannot know how it feels to be female. Because they are male. They may THINK they know but they CANNOT because people can’t change sex and they are MALE

I may think I know what it’s like to be a dog. But I actually can’t, because I am not a dog.

It’s no different at all

If a male person with a philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality is treated like all other people on this planet who have a philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality, where is the discrimination?

When it comes to matters where people have sex based needs that are protected with basic human rights, one group’s insistence that they have access to those rights when they actually don’t because they are the opposite sex, their insistence should not be allowed to negatively impact others.

If a male person’s identity cannot exist in the material world because it lacks any material basis, why should society be giving this group privileges that are in addition to the rights they have already, that the negatively impact another group? What other group in society gets this special treatment?

If a person’s identity is not based on material reality and cannot exist if it is not validated by others, why is the onus on society to validate this identity that cannot exist without negatively impacting others and cannot exist unless people act in compliance with a philosophical belief that doesn’t reflect material reality?

We're back to the psychiatric hospital having to be really careful the two blokes who know that they're Jesus never bump into each other.

Just labelling your experience as being something that is impossible for you to reliably describe your experience as, makes that labelling simply your own conceptualisation that is likely to have little material merit.

It is wonderful that we have these philosophical theories where if we label something then that is what that thing you labelled is. But it bears little relevance to reality.

You can label something you conceptualise all you want. But it doesn’t make that thing that you labelled to your own personal description that has no basis in fact and material reality fit the label. A male person declaring that what they experience is what female experiences can never be true. Because they will always experience life’s interactions as being a male person with a male body.

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I think they are in different countries. (they certainly went to different schools iykwim!) So they might be safe. Although, they could meet online!

If female people do this already, why can’t male people? Why do women and girls need to be emotionally manipulated to allow a group of male people to access a space that was never meant for them as male people?

This is going back a few pages but ... the answer is MALE privilege.

And so the circle turns, right back to me being #unkind because I won’t play nice with the man who wants to come in my female only space.

’It's not ok.’ All the time you keep spouting ideology to support men in women’s spaces you’ll have to get used to pushback. Words like tough & no.

And yes @Helleofabore , Robin M W has no need to worry about being outed as a man, that happens every morning when he leaves the house. He was recently listening to an Equalities Committee debate in the HOC. In the corridor outside were male, female & mixed sex toilets. He’d been there several times before.

On 2 occasions he asked the security guards to point him towards the female toilets. Two FWS attendees challenged him & reported him. Everybody knows why he asked the way (validation & the thrill) & why he didn’t use the mens (validation, not fear, he’s a huge bloke) & why he didn’t use the mixed sex (said himself they were ghettoes).

But apparently we’re not supposed to say any of this out loud, as it’s not ok to hurt these men’s feelings. I don’t care if their feelings are hurt, good. Maybe they’ll reflect why.