To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

Can’t wait, are we finally going to get an explanation why some men are women and I should be comfortable with them in women’s spaces that isn’t just “because they said they are and you are mean to deny it”.

It’s the very opposite of discriminatory. It treats all men the same regardless of their preferred outfit.

Why do you have a problem with that?

Do you think women should have any rights distinct from male people?

I’m also finding it interesting that these men, & their allies, are now suddenly having a road to Damascus moment about women who may present more along the lines of a masculine stereotype.

Women, the boring type, who just want a space away from men - for whatever reason, all perfectly valid (eg religion, rape survivor, or just good old privacy & dignity.) do their rights matter? Nah, fuck ‘em, they’re just old hags and bigots.

But these other women, they suddenly care about their safety, dignity & privacy? Why is that, I wonder? Is this another sacred caste to be invented to stop women saying no?

Luckily women, unlike some men (as we know the bad ones don’t announce their arrival) are rarely violent towards women or men, & vanishingly unlikely to be so in an intimate female only space. Women can also clock a person’s sex even quicker than men can. So short haired ‘butch’ women are perfectly safe around other women, as they always have been.

I’ve never doubted the existence, continued or otherwise of trans people. Carry on existing, but in spaces that align with your biological sex.

I’ve often posted articles and resources. The problem is that you have made up your mind - you have chosen prejudice and ignorance.

There is no one article I can post here that will “prove” to you that being trans is not a “philosophical belief”. Or that is it not is it something trivial to be scorned at. Nor is it my responsibility to provide this for you. I can’t.

if you are interested in scientific evidence on what it is to be trans, type the word “transgender” into any scientific database / search engine/ journal index and you will pull up 10,000s of articles on the subject, with an absolute mountain of cross disciplinary evidence, the overwhelming majority of which will support a position/ understanding that being trans is a real, legitimate material and stable axis of human diversity.

Go forth and educate yourself if you wish. I know that you won’t.

In the meantime, I will be here to combat the false, demeaning and discriminatory statements being made about trans people.

Carry on existing, but in spaces that align with your biological sex.

Right but they can’t do this and be trans at the same time.
So what you are asking for is for trans to pretend they don’t exist as themselves in public- and that is not going to happen because it’s not compatible with reality,

Please go and hang out with them in the unisex spaces they are so reluctant to use then. Ta.

What, so if a trans woman goes into a men’s loos, he stops existing does he?

What, so if a trans woman goes into a men’s loos, he stops existing does he?

if a trans woman is treated as a male person in all aspects of public life where men and women are treated differently , then this is absolutely a direct contradiction of their ability to exist as a trans women in public life. They cease to exist / be acknowledged/ recognised as trans people in public life. Of course they still exist in private- but they are banned from participating as trans people in public. This is not sustainable - to require people to be other than who they are in all aspects of public life. .

Being forced to use the male loos is just one aspect of this of course, but a basic / important one. A trans woman who is required to use the male loo is outed and humiliated and denied their basic humanity (as an trans person) every time they use the toilet.

It is unthinkable that a trans woman would do this. So if you insist that they must, you are effectively banning trans people from using public toilets. This obviously significantly restricts their ability to go out.

No. That won't do. Stop wasting our time. Either explain it in your own words or go away.

tandora

O, and TRA

Childish I know, but that’s an anagram of their name.

But I feel the level of discourse is about right for jokes & nonsense. The gig’s up. The law suits from detransitioners are coming down the line, & ETs (already happening) will increase following the SC ruling.

Being ‘trans’ is yesterday’s fad in schools now, only the poor sods (largely autistic vulnerable girls) are left to suffer from this social contagion. Parents & teachers, all too ready to socially transition children, never seem to think where were my multiple trans classmates? Of course they know the answer, but they’re too captured or compromised to tell the truth.

Point & laugh. What’s that saying? Men are afraid that women will laugh at them, women are afraid that men will kill them. Well they’re still killing us at the rate of 2-3 a week.

Indeed, I do accept them for who they are. Human beings of varying ages, who are either male or female and whose sex is unaffected by any misunderstandings they labour under. That, in fact, is what you seem to find objectionable.

So transwomen are afraid that they’ll be ‘outed’ if they use the men’s toilets or other male facilities?

Outed as what?

Hang on, I know this one!

As a man!

That’s the first honest thing I’ve seen posted by this poster. That’s why men like Robin Moira White describe third spaces/gender neutral as ‘ghettoes.’ They’re not afraid of using the male spaces they did before dressing up as women, they don’t WANT to. Mwah ….

Tough.

‘Restricts their ability to go out’

Hey, guess what? Women used to suffer from the ‘urinary leash.’ They couldn’t travel far from home because the public toilets were mixed sex, which meant women didn’t use them.

To allow women to fully engage in public life they advocated & won the right to female single sex toilets.

If a man dressed as a woman doesn’t want to use the men’s toilets, only the womens, tough luck. Use a gender neutral/mixed one, wet yourself or stay home. Just think if you do either of the latter you’ll be closer to ‘feeling like a woman’.

You claim that transwomen literally think themselves to be female. That is just as much at odds with reality as my mother's friend who thought he was the son of God.

Do you know that catheters come in male and female versions? Do you know what happens when one designed for women is used for men? Let Nursing Times tell you. Understanding oneself to be female does not magically change one's anatomy.

Nursing Times

As every nurse is likely to insert a urethral catheter at some point, they need to be sure that they are using a catheter of the correct length.

Catheters are commonly used in acute care, in patients’ own homes, in social care and in nursing homes. They are manufactured in a range of different gauges and three lengths: female length (20-26cm), standard length (40-45cm) and paediatric (30-31cm).

The gender difference in urethral lengths means that, should the shorter female length catheter be used in males, the inflation of the balloon with water occurs within the male urethra rather than the bladder. This can cause severe urethral trauma and result in pain and haemorrhage, or longer term effects such as urethral strictures, retention or incontinence.

Clinical practice differs between healthcare settings. Some areas will stock only standard length catheters and use different gauges for male and female patients. In other areas, the use of shorter female length catheters, which have no clinical imperative, are used for patient dignity issues such as concealing catheters under skirts.

Between January 2006 and March 2009, the National Patient Safety Agency received 114 reports of serious harm from errors where shorter female catheters had been inserted in males. The result was a range of serious outcomes for the patients, including cases of acute renal failure or impaired renal function. Some patients required additional medical or surgical procedures to correct the trauma.

In April 2009, the NPSA issued a Rapid Response Report (RRR) on the risks of female catheters causing urethral trauma in men, with the aim of making practice safer.

www.nursingtimes.net/bladder-and-bowel/female-catheters-cause-trauma-in-males-31-05-2010/

I’m sorry what?? If a trans woman is a woman, in that “feel like a woman” way, are you saying that the minute they walk into a male bog they’ll suddenly not feel like a woman? That that act will detrans them?

Why? What’s the reasoning? Nobody ever explains…

Because to be a trans woman is to have an understanding/ experience of/ knowledge of self as being a female /
woman. If you treat them as if they are a man/ male/ according to their “birth sex” you are denying/
refusing the very thing that makes them trans.

This is obvious if you actually understand what being trans is.

it’s like telling a gay man that sure they can be gay but at the same time they must only shag women.

How can they have an understanding of being female when they are male? What’s the rationale here?

That is…. at odds with reality

No it’s not- completely the opposite in fact- it quite literally is their reality.

Outed as trans.

being trans isn’t about dress up.

Every time you say things like “tough” you belittle , dismiss , demean what it is to be trans.

Its not ok.

What do you think would happen if a transwoman who hasn't had any surgery on his penis had a female catheter pushed up his urethra?

Do you think his understanding would protect him from severe urethral trauma?

Where, exactly, do they get this

“understanding/ experience of/ knowledge of self as being a female /”

When they are and have always been male? Exactly?

DO you think sex is a costume you can pop on? Just pretty dresses, nails and prosecco?

What makes them trans. Is a serious trauma event which has lead them to find something that keeps their mind off it, and it’s pretending they are the other sex. They believe it, I know that, but it’s still not true.

Do you never wonder why every trans person has about 5 comorbidities?

No one will be “outing” RMW.