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To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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malificent7 · 08/08/2025 12:47

I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 22:58

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:53

If something has done incalculable damage, it follows logically that the damage ought to be undone. You can't undo damage by slowing or decreasing the rate at which future occurs.

What are you suggesting is done? You're being very vague.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:59

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:57

Ask the current Prime Minister, those are his words

Brexit, Tories?

BurntBroccoli · 10/08/2025 23:01

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 10:43

So you are in favour of stopping all immigration? From all countries?

Yes this is what they want. No migration at all except for white people.
There was a post on Reddit today saying exactly that.
It seems they would like the ‘White Australia’ policy of 1972 to happen here.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:02

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 22:58

What are you suggesting is done? You're being very vague.

You don't agree that there is a problem to be solved. Until you do, stop pestering me for a solution to a problem that you don't think exists.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:03

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:59

Brexit, Tories?

Pardon?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 23:06

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:02

You don't agree that there is a problem to be solved. Until you do, stop pestering me for a solution to a problem that you don't think exists.

I assume you don't have any idea whatsoever and can't think of any solutions.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 23:07

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:03

Pardon?

The incalcuable damage

I don't like Starmer's rhetoric on immigration but he is not talking about remigration.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:10

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 23:06

I assume you don't have any idea whatsoever and can't think of any solutions.

Ok. But there wouldn't be a solution if there wasn't a problem, and every time I ask you say there isn’t a problem. So why do you want a solution?

Fetaface · 10/08/2025 23:12

The majority of sex offenders are white. We have a society that ignores sex offending and blames the victim and falsely accuses the victim almost 100% of the time.

In the UK our society sweeps sex offending under the rug. We have women arrested when they report because society believed the sex offender who lies more than the victim. We have men who engage in rape jokes and who ignore what their mates do.

We also have a media which portrays the victim as the perpetrator often and never mentions the criminal. It is that normalised that most women do not report as they know they have to accept it.

I've been sexually assaulted more times than I can count. ALL by white men. No idea of their background (English/American etc). I have been sexually harassed and abused because of my partners ethnicity by white men too.

We have men who expect sex because they bought a drink, we have men who grope frequently and wolf whistle kids in uniform. Do people think that if there was only white men in the UK then they would protest to punish the white sex offenders in the same way? Absolutely they wouldn't. Because they do not care. The protests are performative and lack care for women and girls.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:16

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 23:07

The incalcuable damage

I don't like Starmer's rhetoric on immigration but he is not talking about remigration.

He's saying very clearly in plain English that mass immigration has caused incalculable damage. He did blame the Tories for it, yes, but he's blaming the Tories for "an open borders experiment" which has caused incalculable damage. If incalculable damage has been caused, it follows logically that you need to repair it. If you crash you car tomorrow you wouldn't address the damage by crashing it a bit less often in future, you'd repair the existing damage AND aim to not crash it again.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 23:18

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:10

Ok. But there wouldn't be a solution if there wasn't a problem, and every time I ask you say there isn’t a problem. So why do you want a solution?

I'm not the one arguing that foreigners are a risk to women. I'm asking what you think is going to be done about it if (God forbid) Farage is voted in.

Do you think Farage will send the navy into the channel? Escort people back to France? Round up foreigners Trump style by sending ICE agents onto the streets? Build concentration camps? Ban Muslims from entering the country? Declare a national emergency and put the army onto the streets?

What solutions would work for the issues you think we have?

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 23:20

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:16

He's saying very clearly in plain English that mass immigration has caused incalculable damage. He did blame the Tories for it, yes, but he's blaming the Tories for "an open borders experiment" which has caused incalculable damage. If incalculable damage has been caused, it follows logically that you need to repair it. If you crash you car tomorrow you wouldn't address the damage by crashing it a bit less often in future, you'd repair the existing damage AND aim to not crash it again.

And how do you suggest the damage get repaired?

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:22

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 23:20

And how do you suggest the damage get repaired?

Remigration. This is all very circular isn't it.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 23:23

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:22

Remigration. This is all very circular isn't it.

You want mass programmes where non whites are sent to their 'country of heritage'?

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 23:24

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:22

Remigration. This is all very circular isn't it.

It is very circular seeing that only Lowe's party and the far right are considering that.

MuckFusk · 10/08/2025 23:26

Wow. 51% believe this objectively truthful statement is unreasonable?
When I say that it's because I take it you mean all men are a potential threat, not an actual threat. Since there are far more white UK men (over 75% as of the 2021 census) then obviously they present the biggest threat. The math is simple.

I see a lot of people are pointing to rape stats in other countries. The part they are conveniently forgetting is that in countries where rape isn't punished, men will commit more rapes. If they move to a country where it is punished, it seems logical to conclude they will commit fewer rapes, especially if getting citizenship rides on them obeying the law. Not one person can show evidence that men from x,y or z country are more likely to commit rape when they immigrate to the UK than white, native Brits are. Now, it's possible that they are. Who knows? Maybe their desire to rape overrides their desire to become citizens and their fear of punishment for all we know. But even if that was so, they simply don't have the numbers to present a greater threat.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:27

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 23:18

I'm not the one arguing that foreigners are a risk to women. I'm asking what you think is going to be done about it if (God forbid) Farage is voted in.

Do you think Farage will send the navy into the channel? Escort people back to France? Round up foreigners Trump style by sending ICE agents onto the streets? Build concentration camps? Ban Muslims from entering the country? Declare a national emergency and put the army onto the streets?

What solutions would work for the issues you think we have?

Again, it isn’t my job. My job as a voter in a democracy is to vote for whoever commits to the strongest measures to deal with the problem. You don't believe the problem exists, I do. Lets vote whichever way we'd like to vote come the next election.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:30

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 23:23

You want mass programmes where non whites are sent to their 'country of heritage'?

No. You've asked the same question repeatedly and you've had the same answer repeatedly.. There are lots of immigrants living here who have integrated and contribute a lot to our society regardless of skin colour. There are lots of who have not integrated and whose contribution to our society is profoundly negative, they should leave.

Fetaface · 10/08/2025 23:31

MuckFusk · 10/08/2025 23:26

Wow. 51% believe this objectively truthful statement is unreasonable?
When I say that it's because I take it you mean all men are a potential threat, not an actual threat. Since there are far more white UK men (over 75% as of the 2021 census) then obviously they present the biggest threat. The math is simple.

I see a lot of people are pointing to rape stats in other countries. The part they are conveniently forgetting is that in countries where rape isn't punished, men will commit more rapes. If they move to a country where it is punished, it seems logical to conclude they will commit fewer rapes, especially if getting citizenship rides on them obeying the law. Not one person can show evidence that men from x,y or z country are more likely to commit rape when they immigrate to the UK than white, native Brits are. Now, it's possible that they are. Who knows? Maybe their desire to rape overrides their desire to become citizens and their fear of punishment for all we know. But even if that was so, they simply don't have the numbers to present a greater threat.

Rape largely goes unpunished here. Almost all rapists are still in our communities supported by those who back any rapist who pretends to be the victim when reported. There is no fear of punishment here.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:31

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 23:24

It is very circular seeing that only Lowe's party and the far right are considering that.

Its very circular because the same questions are being asked and answered over and over again.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 23:34

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:31

Its very circular because the same questions are being asked and answered over and over again.

I got it, you want to deport people who have not integrated and whose contribution is profoundly negative.

How you are going to decide who will be on the list, I have no idea.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 23:35

Somerford · 10/08/2025 23:27

Again, it isn’t my job. My job as a voter in a democracy is to vote for whoever commits to the strongest measures to deal with the problem. You don't believe the problem exists, I do. Lets vote whichever way we'd like to vote come the next election.

You don't believe in democracy, you believe in authoritarianism. You don't believe in the rule of law or civil rights.

MuckFusk · 10/08/2025 23:35

Crochetandtea · 08/08/2025 14:16

I disagree . A quick google shows that the Uk has a lower rate of violence against women than the countries lots of immigrants into the uk are coming from.
chatgpt offered some percentages which are quite frightening. Women really are just second class citizens in some countries . You’re fooling yourself if you think those men change when they come to the UK.

They won't change internally, but they would become aware that they can be arrested and punished for it, possibly deported. It's reasonable to conclude that has some effect on their decision making. How much effect is the question. Do they want to rape badly enough to risk all that? Some of them probably do and others probably don't. Some rapists commit their crimes opportunistically and others have a compulsive desire to rape. All rapists are scum but they aren't all exactly alike.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 23:36

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 23:34

I got it, you want to deport people who have not integrated and whose contribution is profoundly negative.

How you are going to decide who will be on the list, I have no idea.

They're not white.

MuckFusk · 10/08/2025 23:44

Fetaface · 10/08/2025 23:31

Rape largely goes unpunished here. Almost all rapists are still in our communities supported by those who back any rapist who pretends to be the victim when reported. There is no fear of punishment here.

Most rapes go unreported. Mind you, they are almost never prosecuted when they are reported. Be that as it may, would somebody who wants to become a citizen want to roll the dice on that? Some might and others might not. Do you suppose they are aware of the abysmal stats on convictions and reporting rates?
It's not comparable to being in a country where there is no possibility of punishment.