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To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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malificent7 · 08/08/2025 12:47

I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

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Somerford · 10/08/2025 19:33

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 19:14

The old Own Jones scare tactic ‘these are your allies!’

Reminded me of Sadiq Khan saying that ULEZ protesters had climbed into bed with Nazis. Its desperate stuff, let them crack on.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 19:51

Somerford · 10/08/2025 19:33

Reminded me of Sadiq Khan saying that ULEZ protesters had climbed into bed with Nazis. Its desperate stuff, let them crack on.

What would you call people displaying Nazi symbols at those protests?

Somerford · 10/08/2025 19:53

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 19:51

What would you call people displaying Nazi symbols at those protests?

I'd call them Nazis. But I wouldn't use their presence to discredit and smear the ordinary people who were there to protest against the policy.

BIossomtoes · 10/08/2025 19:55

Somerford · 10/08/2025 19:53

I'd call them Nazis. But I wouldn't use their presence to discredit and smear the ordinary people who were there to protest against the policy.

Decent ordinary people wouldn’t go within a mile of that protest.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 19:57

Somerford · 10/08/2025 19:53

I'd call them Nazis. But I wouldn't use their presence to discredit and smear the ordinary people who were there to protest against the policy.

He was right to say it then, some protesters indeed had climbed into bed with nazis.

Same with some of the recent hotel protest where people walked alongside racists.

Dangermoo · 10/08/2025 20:30

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 19:57

He was right to say it then, some protesters indeed had climbed into bed with nazis.

Same with some of the recent hotel protest where people walked alongside racists.

Bit like the 'free Palestine' protests, then.

BIossomtoes · 10/08/2025 20:57

There were no Nazi salutes at those.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 21:29

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 19:57

He was right to say it then, some protesters indeed had climbed into bed with nazis.

Same with some of the recent hotel protest where people walked alongside racists.

Nah, its absolutely ludicrous to sit there like he did, trying to smear anyone who protested against his policies but if you liked it then fair enough.

Going back to where the smearing began earlier in this thread, its not at all controversial to say that some of the migrants who have arrived in the past 25 years ought not to be here. Kier Starmer himself said that our open borders experiment had done incalculable damage (or words to that effect). Reducing immigration in the future doesn’t fix that, that only slows the rate of future damage. There are lots of immigrants who have integrated and contribute well to our country, I think very few people have any grievances with them. But there are also lots who haven't integrated at all and whose impact on the country is profoundly negative, they should leave.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 21:36

Don't hang out with racists or repeat racist rhetoric if you don't want to be associated with them.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 21:54

Somerford · 10/08/2025 21:29

Nah, its absolutely ludicrous to sit there like he did, trying to smear anyone who protested against his policies but if you liked it then fair enough.

Going back to where the smearing began earlier in this thread, its not at all controversial to say that some of the migrants who have arrived in the past 25 years ought not to be here. Kier Starmer himself said that our open borders experiment had done incalculable damage (or words to that effect). Reducing immigration in the future doesn’t fix that, that only slows the rate of future damage. There are lots of immigrants who have integrated and contribute well to our country, I think very few people have any grievances with them. But there are also lots who haven't integrated at all and whose impact on the country is profoundly negative, they should leave.

But there are also lots who haven't integrated at all and whose impact on the country is profoundly negative, they should leave.

They're not going to leave and I have no idea how you're going to make them. Yet more inflammatory and empty rhetoric.

Theunamedcat · 10/08/2025 22:02

Your making a nuanced argument into a black and white one it won't work

When judges go easy on rapists from other countries because they allegedly "dont understand" that rape is illegal then it's an issue when we give asylum to people we KNOW are criminals that's a problem (remember the guy who took a plane hostage on the runway and a few weeks later was given a job working at the airport?)

Our response to criminals is an issue we are being ridiculous about it all and it needs to be resolved we cannot give people second and third chances because they dont understand civilised behaviour (i dont believe rapists are civilised to be clear i dont care what colour they are)

TheAmusedQuail · 10/08/2025 22:06

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 12:24

So equally you’re not a sexist, and won’t make sweeping judgements about ‘men’?

Do you mean such as 'data from the Office for National Statistics indicates that 98% of adults prosecuted for sexual offenses in England and Wales are male.'?

Would you prefer we talked in vague opinions and feelings about 'not all men'?

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:07

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 21:54

But there are also lots who haven't integrated at all and whose impact on the country is profoundly negative, they should leave.

They're not going to leave and I have no idea how you're going to make them. Yet more inflammatory and empty rhetoric.

You didn't disagree that there are lots of immigrants who haven’t integrated and whose impact on the country is profoundly negative. Some progress I suppose.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:12

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:07

You didn't disagree that there are lots of immigrants who haven’t integrated and whose impact on the country is profoundly negative. Some progress I suppose.

How is that measured? Are there official figures you are basing this on?

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:20

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:12

How is that measured? Are there official figures you are basing this on?

Our current Prime Minister:

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 22:27

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:07

You didn't disagree that there are lots of immigrants who haven’t integrated and whose impact on the country is profoundly negative. Some progress I suppose.

I see dehumanising large swathes of human beings and talking about them as though they're trash as highly regressive.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:30

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:20

Our current Prime Minister:

He didn't mention integration

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:42

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:30

He didn't mention integration

What do you think he meant when he said that our open borders experiment had caused incalculable damage? And when he said we'd become an island of strangers? What do you think he meant?

BurntBroccoli · 10/08/2025 22:44

JamesMacGill · 10/08/2025 09:47

Here is a selection from this month, from a very small group of people (90,000 allegedly).

A man living in an asylum hotel has appeared in court accused of a sexual assault on a woman.
Tadi Alemeyeha, 22, pleaded not guilty to the offence, allegedly committed earlier this month, during the brief hearing at Manchester Magistrates’ Court on Thursday.

Two more migrants living in taxpayer-funded hotels in England have been accused of separate attacks on women, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
A 26-year-old asylum seeker, staying at the Thistle City Barbican in central London was arrested on suspicion of strangling a 20-year-old woman, then threatening her in the street just a day later.
Shockingly, despite the alleged assault taking place in March, he is still free to roam the streets after he was arrested and released under an investigation which is still ongoing. Police admitted the probe had 'taken longer than we would ideally have wanted'.

An asylum seeker strangled and punched his girlfriend in their taxpayer-funded four-star hotel room, a court heard.
Mamadou Alion Diallo, 27, who is from Mali attacked fellow asylum seeker Zenabou Quedraogo at the Heston Hyde Hotel in Hounslow, London.

A Pakistani asylum seeker has appeared in court after being accused of repeatedly raping an eight-year-old girl.
It is alleged that Kamran Khan, 43, raped the child twice between September 2024 and July 2025 before forcing her to watch a third person engage in sexual activity.

A Syrian asylum seeker appeared in court accused with the rape of a young woman in a public toilet on Bournemouth seafront on Wednesday.
Mohammed Abdullah, 18, allegedly attacked the 20-year-old woman in the toilet in Undercliff Drive, Bournemouth, at about 2am on July 6

A small boat migrant has appeared in court accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old schoolgirl and inciting her to engage in sex.
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 38, is alleged to have put his hand on the school-girl’s leg, asked her for a kiss and suggested they make ‘Jamaican babies’ in Epping over two days last week, Chelmsford Magistrates’ Court was told.

A channel migrant has been handed a 14-month prison sentence after he sexually assaulted an 'extremely vulnerable' teenage girl who has learning difficulties in a park in broad daylight.
Aron Hadsh, 27, from Eritrea, who was living at a taxpayer-funded Holiday Inn near Heathrow, attacked the 19-year-old in June last year after she had been sent by her mother to pick up fruit from a food bank.

Osamah Al-Haddad was caught with three 'grotesque' videos when he arrived at Heathrow airport from Cairo, Egypt, in January 2024. Immigration officers uncovered the material, including 'depraved' footage of a man having sex with a goat, when they searched his mobile during asylum screening. (he’s still walking our streets btw and not being deported)

An asylum seeker accused of three sexual assaults in two days - which sparked ugly anti-migrant protests outside a hotel - had only arrived in the UK by small boat eight days earlier, MailOnline has learned.
Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu, 38, appeared at Colchester Magistrates' Court last week where he was formally accused of inappropriate sexual behaviour towards schoolgirls in the pretty Essex town on Monday and Tuesday last week

This is all news from the last 5/6 weeks alone. From a population of men that total 90,000.

Let me guess - you ‘don’t know what I’m talking about’ and ‘I have no argument’. I don’t care.

A lot of ‘allegedly’ and ‘accused’ in that! These are not convictions.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 22:46

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:42

What do you think he meant when he said that our open borders experiment had caused incalculable damage? And when he said we'd become an island of strangers? What do you think he meant?

I believe he was bending over backwards to appeal to Reform voters. He's since apologised for his 'island of strangers' comment but he has history.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:47

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:42

What do you think he meant when he said that our open borders experiment had caused incalculable damage? And when he said we'd become an island of strangers? What do you think he meant?

Not that he is going to remigrate people

Net migration is already down.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:53

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:47

Not that he is going to remigrate people

Net migration is already down.

If something has done incalculable damage, it follows logically that the damage ought to be undone. You can't undo damage by slowing or decreasing the rate at which future occurs.

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:56

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:53

If something has done incalculable damage, it follows logically that the damage ought to be undone. You can't undo damage by slowing or decreasing the rate at which future occurs.

What incalculable damage has been done and by whom?

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:57

MiloMinderbinder925 · 10/08/2025 22:46

I believe he was bending over backwards to appeal to Reform voters. He's since apologised for his 'island of strangers' comment but he has history.

Ok. Well either he was telling the truth and correctly identifying the problem, or he was lying but he'd correctly read the mood, feeling and sentiment of the nation and understood that we live in a democracy and that the will of the majority will decide the next government. Either is fine with me.

Somerford · 10/08/2025 22:57

TopPocketFind · 10/08/2025 22:56

What incalculable damage has been done and by whom?

Ask the current Prime Minister, those are his words

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