To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

further Swedish studies- a 2018 analysis of 843 district court convictions for rape and attempted rape over the prior five years found that 58% of convicted individuals had a foreign background, with 40% born in the Middle East or Africa. In cases involving stranger rapes (where perpetrator and victim did not know each other), 75% were born outside Europe, and 40% of them had been in Sweden for a year or less

It does mention that there iis no evidence migration caused exaggerated 2013 Swedish rape statistics

It also says:

Sweden does not publish the ethnicity or national background of perpetrators of any crime, including sexual offences.

researchers use court verdicts - amongst other methods

So then there is no reason to use Sweden as an example that immigration leads to more sexual assaults.

Thanks for pointing that out

VERDICT
No evidence. There is no proof migration has led to an increase in the incidence of rape in Sweden, which has been exaggerated in social media posts online.

In Denmark in 2022 Immigrants and their descendants made up 14% of the population, yet accounted for 29% of violent crime convictions—a rate 2.5 times higher than native Danes.

Seems that, in the face of overwhelming evidence, you're now in agreement that mass immigration is fucking awful and needs to stop. You're now just looking for who is to blame. Happy to join you in blaming the Tories and I don't really whether you agree that they're liberals or not.

Well there is proof as researchers use information from court verdicts

This is the answer with regard to India.

There are serious issues with sexual assault and rape in India, and these are linked to education, class, and even rural vs urban issues. All of which combine to make it a very uncomfortable, sensitive, and serious topic within the context of India itself.

However, at least until recently, most of the people emigrating out of India to the West have not been the poor, uneducated, rural people, but rather people with some education, entrepreneurs and professionals.

This kind of scenario doesn't follow with people arriving as irregular migrants claiming asylum. And that's probably why we haven't seen the same problems with Indian migrants as they have arrived over the years.

https://news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

In your opinion austerity policies which sought to shrink the state under the Tories were liberalism? Do you mean neoliberalism?

Between 2010 and 2019 more than £30 billion in spending reductions were made to welfare payments, housing subsidies, and social services. The left tend to increase state spending.

Pensioners were protected as they are traditional Tory voters, but homelessness and child poverty rose exponentially. In fact, the average height of children decreased and we saw the reintroduction of illnesses such as rickets. The cuts to services were so severe that some refer to it as 'Britain's lost decade' but you see these policies as liberalism.

I haven't given an opinion on 'mass immigration' on this thread.

Exactly.

This is a thread about VAWG in the UK. You have laughed at women's suffering. You have dismissed us and minimised our abuse at men's hands. You have used us in your culture war against other men.

Fuck the fuck off!

I spent my whole teen years getting abused, from 13 onwards.

All white, british men.

Then why are you dragging people into the weeds about who is to blame for it? What's the point of what you're doing? We both know what the point is - wasting people's time and energy and ultimately deflecting because you know you've decisively lost the point that you really want to be arguing about.

Why are you policing the thread and telling people what they can and can't say?

Because I can see exactly what you're doing. You were called out for the exact same thing much earlier in this thread and you reacted I'm much the same way.

What is @MiloMinderbinder925 doing that's causing you coniptùons @Somerford ?

Stop derailing the thread.

Official stats on net migration. Peaked in 2021 under the Tories:

I don’t care which political party started it.

The political party in power right now needs to address it!

Stop squabbling over who did what and address how we can protect women and girls from even more abusive men!

White or non-white immigrants?

This was posted on MN recently- all white and all had links to far right groups:

Jack Renshaw – EDL, BNP, National Action: four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. Wayne Kirby – Tommy Robinson associate: served six years after being convicted for rape in 2007. Bradley Daniel Alford, EDL: 6 yrs, indecent photos, inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse. Kristopher Allan, SDL: convicted for messages, images, and sexual contact involving a 13 year old. Luke Atkinson, UKIP & Yorkshire EDL: jailed 4 yrs, 8 mths, grooming young teenagers. Alan Boulter, EDL and all round racist: 20 mths, attempted grooming. John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom: ‘making indecent images of children’ and inept mosque attack. Dean Chambers, EDL & BNP: 5 yrs, sexual assault. Michael Coates AKA Micky Blue Eyes, NW Infidels: charged with 2 attempted rapes and other sex offences. Bruce Cordwell, EDL: 3 yrs, 7 mths, grooming. Michael Cowen, neo-Nazi: 3 yrs, child pornography. Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl. Robert Ewing, EDL, BNP, NF: grooming & murder of 15 yr old. Ryan Fleming, National Action: 3 yrs, sexual activity with a child, his 2nd sexual offence. Darren Francis, BNP, sexual relationship with 13 year old. Christopher Gamlin, Britain First: 21 mths, grooming & trying to incite a child into sexual activity. Pete Gillett, EDL speaker: 18 years, multiple offences of rape and indecent assault on children. Nigel Hesmondalgh, BNP: jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children. Dale Hewitt, EDL: 10 years for multiple sex offences against teenage girls. Ian Hindle, BNP, jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Mark Hogg, EDL: 9 months for sexual assault on a 14 year old. Elliot Jones, EDL and part of the self-styled ‘pedophile squad’ jailed for, err, pedophilia. Mervyn Jones, North Wales Alliance/Combined Ex-Forces: guilty of rape, attempted rape, indecent assault. Shaun Jones, Liverpool Scouse Nationalists: jailed for grooming and raping a 12 year old girl. Michael Kinnear, BNP and EDL: jailed for sexually abusing a 7 year old. Gavin Leist, BNP, child porn. Leigh MacMillan, EDL: convicted of three counts of indecent assault, two of indecency with a child and one of attempted rape. Jailed for a total of 17 years. Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn: pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault. Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming. Paul O’Brien, Blood & Honour fascist: 9 yrs, rape, sexual assault. Stephen Payne SDL: convicted of grooming a 13 year old. Richard Price, former EDL leader: four counts of making indecent images of children. Michael Roles, Britain First: 18 yrs child rape. Roderick Rowley, BNP: child porn and sexually abusing 10-year-old girl. Mark Ryley, Britain First, Infidels of Britain & Nick Griffin supporter: 30 years for multiple sexual offences against young girls. Mark ‘Archie’ Sleman, EDL: kidnap & attempted rape of 10 yr old. James Swindlehurst, White Man March: jailed for 20 years for 13 counts of child rape. Trevor Vinson, EDL, Britain First & Jayda Fransen supporter: 21 years for repeated sexual abuse and making obscene images of 3 year old girl. Andrew Wells, BNP: jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs.

Animals, what’s your point?

How does that affect what we’re discussing? The thread isn’t ’AIBU to think far right men are less sexually aggressive’.

It’s not a gotcha. We know there are a lot of far right scumbags around.

It’s like when you discuss sexual violence by transwomen and somebody pipes up going ‘But what about these cis men? Don’t you care about that?’

Yes, we do care, but it’s irrelevant to what’s being discussed.