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Friendship problems- AIBU to go even though it will upset her?

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jacks11 · 07/08/2025 23:19

I don’t think I am unreasonable- though accept my(possibly ex-) friend is struggling.

Good friend and her DH have been TTC for some time, several failed rounds if IVF and it looks increasingly like it just us not going to happen. Friend’s DH had agreed one last round IVF but says after this he would like to stop as they just can’t afford it and he feels emotionally it is becoming too much, though if they can conceive naturally (albeit unlikely) he’d be delighted. I, and our other friends, have always been as supportive as we can be and I think I have been a good friend in lots of other ways too. We’ve been friends for a long time.

DH and I have DC, as do most of our other friends. I am pregnant- this was unplanned- but we are happily surprised. We waited until 12 weeks and before we told anyone else (other than our parents). I messaged her to say I had something I wanted to tell her (at a time when she wasn’t at work or anything like that). She immediately messaged back to say “you’re bloody pregnant, aren’t you?”. I replied that I was and that I just wanted to let her know in private before anyone else found out. I genuinely thought this was the easiest way- she would get time to privately react however she felt, without having to put a brave face on/ think about how that would look to others etc. I’m happy to concede she might have preferred a different approach but this was genuinely with good intentions.

She called me a few minutes later and was absolutely horrible- she berated me for not telling her we were ttc. I said that a)if we had been it would not have been something we necessarily had to share with others if we didn’t want to; b) we weren’t exactly TTC, although we are happy about it; c) I would not have thought she would have wanted to know if we had been. She then replied “well, I can’t believe you let that happen” and “ that was f***g stupid of you”, kept going on about how it’s just irresponsible and something only “daft teenagers” do etc. was I really sure this was what I wanted? I said that even if not planned, we are happy about it, and it’s not as though we are in any way going to struggle- financially secure, solid relationship, both in good health etc. I was really taken aback- I expected she might be upset, perhaps want to keep her distance a bit (although I’d have missed her, I’d have understood why) or not want to hear much about my pregnancy. But she was actually utterly vile. I was really upset and appalled by her attitude, told her so and ended the phone-call.

I told my husband who was upset and angry too. We decided to just leave it, let things cool and see where we stood once we’d had time to calm down. I decided not to contact her again, leave the ball in her court regarding the next step.

I told our other friends re pregnancy and they are all delighted for us. DH is friends with her DH- he contacted DH to say he’d heard the news, congratulated him but said he knew his DW and I had “fallen out”. They had a chat and her DH was surprised by what DH told him about what had happened. He was actually quite shaken according to DH. He messaged me to say congratulations and he was sorry for how things went with his DW, she’s just really struggling and he hopes we could work it out. I replied thanking him and that he was not responsible for what his wife had said but appreciated the thought.

I had told two of my closest friends exactly what had happened. Some of our other friends could tell something had happened but I just said that things were strained and not really in contact with her, without giving details. She has been unpleasant about me to a few mutual friends- this has caused friction with them, and most have now sussed out why we aren’t speaking. I have not tried to get anyone to “take sides”. I’ve just carried on, other than not contacting her directly.

We are due to attend our friends wedding- DH is a groomsman. Friend and her DH are also invited. She has demanded that I do not go- DH can, but I can’t. Bride and groom have said we are both invited and if either of us feel we can’t be civil, then it’s best that that person don’t come. I am happy just to be polite and think we should be able to keep our distance. I fully intend to go. I’ve had a lot of messages demanding I “don’t take another thing” from her. I’ve ignored her.

Most of our friends feel she is being totally unreasonable, but two friends have suggested that I “give her this” as she’s struggling. I don’t feel much like putting her first, nor do I think it wise- frankly, if I give in to this it won’t stop at this event, she’ll just try to exclude me from other things. This has caused some friends to fall out and I feel really caught in the middle. AIBU to go?

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Member984815 · 08/08/2025 12:47

Congratulations, I never understood why people ask was it planned after baby news . Its no one's business. I'd have to reasses this friendship, maybe she will be able to come around when she has stopped grieving her own infertility and will see how badly she reacted . Her husband seems level headed but she seems lost in a fog of grief .

Trovindia · 08/08/2025 12:49

She needs counselling. I lost five babies in pregnancy and found it so hard seeing friends have babies but it was my problem and I got help. I can understand how she's feeling but she's being unreasonable and her husband should get her the help she obviously needs.

Xyloplane · 08/08/2025 12:49

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 08/08/2025 12:41

The flowers are not supposed to make her feel better. They are supposed to shame / guilt her into acting like a grown up and to send the message that in spite of the fact that she's behaving like an unhinged cowbag, I can rise above it and let bygones be bygones.

Like I said, kill her with kindness so everyone else can be in no doubt who is being unreasonable here and who is being rational and magnanimous, in spite of her friend's complete unreasonableness. If this were me, I'd be making sure no-one could possibly make an argument for it being 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' or to think that I had behaved in any way that could be construed to have made the situation worse, or to have invited it in the first place.

Be the bigger person, but do it in such a way as you don't actually have to give an inch to appease someone who is being ridiculous.

That all just sounds like gameplaying to me. The OP should just call a spade a spade and move on.

IDontHateRainbows · 08/08/2025 12:50

MarieAndTwinette · 08/08/2025 12:36

The thing is: you never know how grief is going to take you. It is different for everybody. You are lucky that you were able to do what you did. I did the same but I have seen others who didn’t. They are not vile people. I have every sympathy for them. And the targets of their anger.

Jeez are you ever going to stop justifying how this woman treated the OP?
It. Is. Not. Her. Fault. Her. Friend. Cannot. Have. A. Child.

Alondra · 08/08/2025 12:51

The flowers are not supposed to make her feel better. They are supposed to shame / guilt her into acting like a grown up and to send the message that in spite of the fact that she's behaving like an unhinged cowbag

Since when sending flowers to an "unhinge cowbag" is going to make them realise their own shame? Are you nuts?

Flowers are given to the people we love and love us back. The last thing the OP needs to do is send flowers to the person wishing her to get an abortion and abusing their friendship because she can't deal with her own problems.

GreyCarpet · 08/08/2025 12:54

MarieAndTwinette · 08/08/2025 12:40

I didn’t read that bit. I make it a practice to walk away from that kind of thing. I don’t engage with it. Why would you?

Well, I wouldn't but the thread isn't about me.

And, tbh, the OP isn't 'engaging' with it eiither. She hasn't really had much choice in it, has she? A nasty phone call and then being badmouthed to her friends?

What she supposed to do? Sit back and let it happen?

Absolutely nonsensical comment.

ETA: Actually, I'm talking nonsense myself because I absolutely would 'engage' if that meant standing up for myself because I've been on the receiving end of what happens when you don't.

The OP is not in the wrong in any sense. She got pregnant. That's it. Everything that has happened since is because of the 'friend'.

chatgptsbestmate · 08/08/2025 12:56

Her pain and anguish have morphed into intense jealousy over your pregnancy and you've now seen her as a jealously angry person.

I'd suggest she just cannot deal with her emotions over not being able to have a baby and in addition she now feels guilty over how she's treated you and has to keep projecting her jealous anger and guilt onto you cos she can't face being wrong

She can't bear the thought of seeing you knowing you're pregnant

Nothing you can do

Probably nothing SHE can do unless she gets some MH help

scoobysnaxx · 08/08/2025 12:56

she is being utterly ridiculous.
go to the wedding without question.
she needs to admit that her reaction is all projection because she is struggling, apologise to you and your husband and seek fertility counselling.

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 08/08/2025 13:05

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 08/08/2025 12:45

The flowers are not a consolation prize for not being pregnant. They are to extend the hand of friendship and forgiveness over a stupid argument the OP didn't start, didn't deserve, and never should have happened.

But okay, no flowers. The OP could still send the note, regardless.

Suggesting to someone that they have an abortion and being as vile as this woman has and spreading vile shit about her is not ' a stupid argument'.

TickingKey46 · 08/08/2025 13:07

I have been that friend trying to conseve, having rounds of ivf. Yes it does send you loopy when others appear to easily fall pregnant. But there is no excuse for the way she's spoken to you, there is no excuse! You approached it in as sensitive way as possible.
Yes she's going though a rough patch, but no the way she's spoken to you is totally unexceptable. Distance yourself from her, continue to go to the wedding and just let her get on with it.

Gabby8 · 08/08/2025 13:13

She needs to get a grip tbh

Ignore her and stay well away, go to the wedding. I’m sure most will be avoiding her there as she seems quite unhinged. Shame as she is obviously going though it but it’s her problem to deal with not yours.

Wadadli · 08/08/2025 13:13

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 08/08/2025 11:46

There is honestly nothing more you can do. I'd let your bride friend see the messages she's been sending you demanding that you 'don't take another thing' from her, meaning the chance to go to the wedding by stepping back from it yourself. She's being ridiculous and everyone knows it. So long as your bride friend is in no doubt about the tone of the messages from her to you and can see that you've tried to be polite and conciliatory and completely reasonable in your responses to her, then your friend will be in no doubt about who to blame if there is a bad atmosphere at the wedding. She may even feel she must withdraw the invitation from the friend or at least put her on a stern warning to behave.

You can try one last thing which is to kill her with kindness. Send some flowers with a nice handwritten note saying please let's forget this whole unfortunate thing for the sake of our husbands, our mutual friends, the wedding and the historic friendship. You don't want a bad atmosphere to spoil the day and you just want to move past it.

Don't allude to her 'struggling' with her lack of IVF success or say that you understand why she might have overreacted to your news or anything like that. She will feel patronised and made out to be a madwoman, even though she is indeed behaving like a madwoman. Don't accept any blame or responsibilty for what's happened or try to pin any on her. Just ask that it's forgotten now.

If she refuses to be reasonable after that then absolutely everyone will see her for what she is.

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I agree with everything you say except sending flowers. Fuck that shit - that would be rewarding someone who’d insulted and upset you

DoYouReally · 08/08/2025 13:17

For what it's worth, I think you are doing everything right here - still going to the wedding, have advised her husband, happy to either be polite or keep your distance.

Yes she's hurting, heartbroken, angry about her circumstances.

She actually seem to be close to a full on breakdown. Her husband's responds indicate this and he knows how utterly consumed she is with TTC and how her behaviour is. She needs help but she can't see it and won't listen.

It's a horrible time, you feel like you've failed, you feel like your body has let you down you feel like you've failed the children you thought you'd have, you question your entire purpose, you fear your partner will leave you, that you'll end up alone and never be good enough. You wonder how so many who aren't trying manage to concieve when you are trying everything possible and still failing.

It genuinely is a clusterfuck of emotions. I understand where she's at but she couldn't possible be dealing with it any worse, for her sake, and those around her, I hope she gets help soon before it destroys her.

I would have just maintain a dynified silence with her from now on.

crowsfeet57 · 08/08/2025 13:24

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The only vile person on here is you.

Hopeandfaith1990 · 08/08/2025 13:29

Hi @jacks11 I’m 2.5 years into TTC my first with unfortunately 5 losses along the way and now doing IVF. I share this because I’m in a similar predicament to your friend. However, you are not being unreasonable at all. You’ve done everything right and if you were my friend I’d be thanking you for your sensitivity. You should definitely go to the wedding. Obviously she is struggling, but it is absolutely not okay for her to take it out on you.

could you message her directly explaining gently that you are going to go to the wedding and you’d like to talk either in the phone or in person to see if you salvage your friendship at all? Appreciate this might not be what either of you want but it might be a gentle but firm way to tell her you are going.

WheresthesaladTheresthesalad · 08/08/2025 13:30

Her behaviour is appalling. Absolute batshittery.

And I say this as someone whose multiple IVF treatments failed and then had emergency hysterectomy in my mid 20s.

Go to the wedding.
You've done nothing wrong.

Wishing you and your baby well, OP. 💐

RBowmama · 08/08/2025 13:31

Genuinely shocked how many people on here are blaming you because your friend was mad you didn't tell her about ttc so you corrected her and were truthful about the pregnancy being a surprise.... you literally explained the situation. You couldn't have won OP, she's mad you hadn't told her about ttc (which wasn't the case) she's mad it wasn't a planned pregnancy.... she'd maybe only be happy supposedly if it was planned and you had told her (probably would have still been mad that you'd taken that from her!) And you don't owe anything to anyone about something so private. I absolutely feel for her but this is your post so we're talking about you and I think you couldn't have done any more.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 08/08/2025 13:35

You've done nothing wrong. You do not owe her an apology. You carry on as you are.

I understand her upset, but to verbally abuse a pregnant woman about her pregnancy is abhorrent. There's no coming back from this.

I'd steer clear of her and have nothing to do with her again. She'll likely end up divorced if she carries on with this hatred and vitriol.

GreyCarpet · 08/08/2025 13:42

could you message her directly explaining gently that you are going to go to the wedding and you’d like to talk either in the phone or in person to see if you salvage your friendship at all? Appreciate this might not be what either of you want but it might be a gentle but firm way to tell her you are going.

I think the OP needs to stay away from it all now and focus on herself and her pregnancy.

She has informed the bride she will be going. It's up to her to tell this other woman.

If someone had spoken to me the way this woman spoke to her, I'd already consider the friendship to he over, tbh. I'd be civil as required in a group situation but I don't think there's any way back from this.

Especially as this isn't just about a pregnancy. The OP is going to have an actual baby in 6 months' time. I wouldn't want that person in my life at all.

Americano75 · 08/08/2025 13:42

Do the bride and groom know the full story OP? I'm guessing not because I doubt they'd have said we are both invited and if either of us feel we can’t be civil, then it’s best that that person don’t come as though you were 'as bad as each other' because that's really not the case.

MargaretMarch · 08/08/2025 13:48

I had years of infertility and three rounds of IVF (costing significantly more than a house deposit) so I do understand how hard it is to go through infertility but your friend’s behaviour is completely unacceptable. Everybody knows that pregnancy/birth doesn’t operate on a lottery system, one person having a baby has absolutely no impact on whether their friend can get pregnant. I also can’t understand why it is more difficult for her to know you are pregnant than any other guest at the wedding - and presumably she hasn’t asked the bride and groom to ban all pregnant women from attending. Has the friend ever shown signs of being jealous of you in other contexts? Or of other people in your circle?

Personally I think there must be an underlying issue as nobody I know who’s suffered from infertility (and I sadly know quite a few people who have) would behave like this - some people might say they’re happy for you but sad for themselves or that they find it too painful to talk much about your pregnancy or to visit your new baby but that’s completely different from how your friend has behaved. Congratulations on your pregnancy

Jacopo · 08/08/2025 13:50

You’ve done nothing wrong, and you are right to stand up for yourself and go to the wedding. I think it was also a good idea to inform her husband that you were going, and to send her kind wishes. If anyone can get through to her that she is acting badly and probably needs counselling, it will be her husband.
Something very similar happened to me when I was pregnant and a friend was ttc. She wasn’t as nasty as your friend has been, but it wasn’t pleasant. The next day she came and told me that she had discussed it with her husband and he had told her she’d been wrong to behave like that. She apologised and we remained very good friends.
I hope your friend’s husband can help her out of the mess she is creating for herself.

Hopeandfaith1990 · 08/08/2025 13:56

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Wow. What an truly awful thing to say - you are absolutely vile for saying this.

NimbleDreamer · 08/08/2025 13:58

Glad to hear you're still going to the wedding.

As for your friend, if that was me I would absolutely be ending the friendship over how she spoke to you and is treating you over this. Her own fertility struggles are not an excuse for her behaviour at all and I frankly would not allow anyone to speak to me or treat me like that. The friendship would be over as far as I'm concerned.

SabrinaSt · 08/08/2025 14:01

Having been in the situation of your friend (except with stillbirth followed by recurrent end of first trimester losses), I was so angry and upset and frankly unhinged. I resented other people their happiness. This is very out of character for me.

However, I kept this between myself and DH - there was a period where I really struggled with pregnant friends but I was open with them that I was struggling and if I distanced myself slightly temporarily it wasn’t anything they had done and I wished them well.

You didn’t deserve to be treated this way but it sounds like your friend needs some significant mental health support. I hope she can get the help she needs and she apologises to you in time.

I would go to the wedding and give her a very wide berth but hold your head up high, you have absolutely done nothing wrong.