AIBU to think that 'patriarchy chicken' isn't the whole story?

[AliceMaforethought]

Hear me out, as I reckon that this will be an unpopular opinion, but I am keen to know if my experience is just me or if others experience the same.

I hear a lot on this site about 'patriarchy chicken': simply put, the admirable notion that women deserve to take up space and not have to stand aside for men. Last week, I was in London, (I'm from a smaller UK city) I was STAGGERED by the utter lack of spatial awareness of women. I am a woman, for context: youngish (I'm 42 but look a lot younger) I found women knocked into me constantly and let their kids blunder into me and other people. I didn't have a problem with men at all. The other thing that I did notice was that all these women were white, and were all ages from young to late middle age (old women weren't an issue at all) I am mixed race. Before anyone thinks that I was the problem and was just out of my depth in London, that isn't the case. I am a trained dancer, I have a lot of spatial awareness, and I am used to London even though I haven't lived there for a while. I am starting to wonder if I need to play 'white supremacy chicken'!

You're right, some posters have been downright ignorant in their posts and deliberately goading you, others understood, some learning from it.
Stick with those who understand or tried.
You can't change some people's mindset, continue making relevant points without biting. 💐

Yes it does exist.

100% this. ^

It is really not comparable.
White privilege is still very much part of todays society.

What is white privilege?
What privilege does a homeless malnourished white person have over a black UK footballer. I don't see privilege due to less skin pigment. The term white privilege is just a subtle but far more sinister kind of racism.

It always makes me.laugh when people.come.on to claim white.privilege doesn't exist while simultaneously demonstrating that they dont even understand. Nothing says, "inreally dont like black people, especially ones who are successful" more than suggesting that because there are rich black footballers, white privlege doesn't exist.

To be clear for anyone who might not actually realise how silly your example is, white privilege for the homeless white guy comes from.the fact that the colour of his skin is not a further contributor to his challenges. In other words, if you were to compare a black homeless man in exactly the same situation, the black homeless man would.most likely have an extra challenge. Seen, for example in situations like this, in increased likelihood of him being chased off/ accused of things etc.

There are probably stats about this specific scenario. Just like there are definitely statistics that outcomes for black women jn childbirth are notably worse than for white women, even in the face of the exact same complications.....

I’m white so I don’t have personal experience but I don’t doubt that white privilege is very much alive and well Sadly in every single sphere of life.

this

That sucks, but doesn't surprise me. I was shocked (white tall woman) how much worse it got with a baby. I started deliberately driving the pram into people who didn't acknowledge my existence because it happened so often. Bizarrely, my husband also suddenly became an invisible lesser human with a baby. I can well imagine not being white has a similar effect

Not hard to see that people of all race/sexuality/genders are experiencing this.... from all types of people.

Maybe the world has more ignorance and selfishness than expected? I personally find it is worse the bigger the city. People are self obsessed and generally much more rude than when I was younger.

My take is unlikely to fit the narrative of the people desperate to take offence.

And if people think they aren't racist, without any work, I wonder why they think that. I'm white, raised in London. I had racist (benignly but still) parents, racist teachers (not so benign in one case), racist books, maps, resources, history. Racist people around me. If I soaked in that soup, and did no work at all, how on earth would I come out of it without a little sticking to me?

this is excellent as well

my mums stepsiblings are black so I was ‘lucky’ enough to not have racist parents (though as my dad has got older he seems to be becoming racist….benignly but still)

but my upbringing in society is like the above including , tv, general media films etc so without question some of that stuff must have sunk in

a poster in another thread (in a different context I think) said that the first thought on a subject is often your upbringing….the 2nd thought is you realising and learning

alice your posts have not been aggressive either

I'm older and find that men get out of my way , but the younger the woman of any colour, the less likely they are to move over

Dion Dublin was quite interesting on a football programme yesterday. He was annoyed about racist abuse that had happened at a match in the week. It had also happened to women footballers recently.

If people don't know him he's an ex footballer, tall and well built but he said he was abused in a supermarket last week when he stopped a trolley crashing. I don't suppose it scared him but a smaller more vulnerable black person?

Marverine, black presenter on GMB also talked very eloquently about it a few days ago.

We can't pretend racism isn't going on around us every day.

That's Ridiculous @Alicealig

What privilege does a homeless malnourished white person have over a homeless malnourished black person?

What privilege does a White UK footballer VS a Black UK footballer?

Can you see it now, I've outlined the comparisons.

Don't even get me stated on the abuse black footballers put up with over their white teammates.

It always makes me cringe when white people claim racism as abuse.

You've made a statement of comparison between a black person and a white one but haven't given a single point of analysis to even attempt to explain whatever it is you're trying to explain. What is it that we should see?

You seem to be stating that you feel black people, in whatever way shape or form are from the 'lesser than' group. That we ought to see them as 'not as able'
With regards to the comparison you made about homeless then the black person would be treated preferentially for a house referal.
We are all the same within UK law. Same opportunities, equal. The very fact that we are talking about 'black' footballers', who earn millions, and the privilege to go with it.

It's a fact of life that some people will naturally have more privilege than others. Those born to wealthy parents. Those who's parents have remained together as a happy unit. Those born in wealthier countries. These people all have cases of proven and real privilege. Those who are born with more or less skin pigment not so much. If anything the black privilege is the fact our skin has far superior resistance to normally harmful UV rays making cases of skin cancer amongst black people almost non existent which is considered a privilege.

It's so strange there are people still arguing that white skin gives a distinct privilege, but have no evidence or give any clear reason why this may be the case??

Disparity between groups doesn't prove unfairness. Jewish people have disproportionately high levels of wealth and income. Should we change it to Jewish privilege. The Holocaust had no effect on their wealth and income disparity dispite being made arguably the biggest victims of the 20th century.
Why do certain people make black skin colour their issue?
They assume that because black people reside disproportionately in areas of lower income, or that they are involved in a disproportionate level of criminal activity that that equals racism or unfairness and that simply isn't the case.

These are complex issues, and not one issue is to blame. Besides, no one should be shamed or told there is something wrong with their privilege, which is after all a characteristic out of one's own control.