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to be feeling so upset over this?

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SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 10:25

Hi everyone, I just need to get something off my chest and maybe hear some outside perspectives because I’m really struggling with how I'm feeling at the moment.
For context, over the years we’ve been on a few family holidays that included myself, my husband and our kids, my in-laws (his parents), and my husband’s sister and her family. While we’ve generally had good times but it's not always been 'perfect'. My husband and his sister parent very differently, and that’s caused a few minor issues in the past. Things like me saying yes to our kids having an ice cream and her saying no to hers – which then leads to meltdowns and somehow becomes our fault. Nothing huge, just little clashes now and then.
However, the last holiday we went on together a few years ago ended badly. After a minor issue about splashing in the pool, my sister-in-law completely lost it with my husband in front of everyone – shouting that he’s a rubbish parent, that I’m lazy, and even saying her kids are scared of him. It was really awful. She accused him of “puffing out his chest trying to be the big man” which couldn’t have been further from the truth. He stood silently and in shock, didn’t react, and just walked away and was actually gutted about what she said and they way she said it in front of everyone. It felt to me like it came from years of built-up resentment she hadn’t addressed. I still get quite emotional thinking about it.
After that, both my husband and his sister (separately) told their parents that they wouldn’t be doing any more big family holidays – the tension was too much. We cancelled the holiday we had already booked for the following year. We didn’t speak at all for months, but eventually we got to a place where we could be civil again. Things are ok now but nothing like before.
Now on to my problem... my sister-in-law recently booked a family holiday and invited my in-laws who agreed to going with them. They’ve all gone away together – and we weren’t even considered. Not even a message or conversation to see how we felt about it. My MIL only told us after it was already booked. I know we said we wouldn’t do joint holidays again, and truthfully we probably would’ve said no anyway. But to not even be included in the discussion – especially after working to be civil again – feels like a slap in the face. I wouldn't even consider asking my in laws to come on a holiday with us because I wouldn't want to put them in an awkward situation and I wouldn't want to put my nieces and nephews in a position where they would feel excluded.
I’m heartbroken for my kids, who now see their grandparents and cousins on a holiday without them. It feels like such a massive step backwards for our family, like we’re being pushed out. I just can’t shake the feeling of being excluded and like we don’t matter. I've cried multiple times since they went last week.
Am I being unreasonable to be so upset about it or do I just need to get a grip?

OP posts:
SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:44

pinkdelight · 06/08/2025 11:33

She thinks that everyone should be like her.

And you're upset because "she's done something you wouldn't do".

I absolutely see the irony with what i said here. Perhaps this is why we don't see eye to eye!

OP posts:
Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:44

WhenInRomeDoAsTheRomansDo · 06/08/2025 11:38

What did she say about your husband? you said that SIL said he puffed his chest out, what could she be referring to, because its quite a specific comment.

The not clearing up after a communal meal can be irritating. If you're in your own home then it's fine you go at your own speed but if you're sharing with a group then it's another job that needs to be done potentially by someone else if its just sitting there cluttering up the sides and you're not making a move to do it.

I can see that would be a source of tension. When sharing a space with others we do have to compromise in how we normally do things so the house keeps on track, especially with lots of kids in the mix. She could have been thinking you were waiting for someone else to step in and do it, hence why she called you lazy. Have you done that in the past?

I hate the not clearing up after a communal meal and let’s just sit and chat thing. Because in my experience it means it doesn’t get done fairly and it ends up being me who does it. And it would really piss me off 🤣. It would only ever happen once though, especially if I was the cook, and the people concerned would get a flea in their ear. And if it happened a 2nd time, I wouldn’t be going on holiday with them ever ever again.

I had two family holidays that were disasters. One where I carried the bulk of the domestic chores and ran after my kids when my in laws had no kids and one of them was where the in law bought all round them for their one child and we had more than one and couldn’t do the same for ours and their parenting was so different from ours it was clear we weren’t in the same page.

it pissed me right off so never again.

what I did do, though, was holiday with the parents. Just not the siblings.

Sunflower1667 · 06/08/2025 11:44

Even if you all got on and went in family holidays your sil is still entitled to go away on holiday with her parents and not invite you. You’re being completely unreasonable

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

DappledThings · 06/08/2025 11:34

But you wanted a conversation where you were reminded you weren't going to be invited before they went ahead and didn't invite you?

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

OP posts:
Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:47

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

And do you think that conversation about what happened would have gone well?

zingally · 06/08/2025 11:47

You can't have it both ways. You said no more family holidays, and they're taking you at your word.

I get that there's likely a lot more at play here than just the holiday, but YABU.

Saltandpepperlife · 06/08/2025 11:48

We have a similar situation with a sibling and their partner. We still invite my parents to holidays/dinners/events and don’t ask sibling and their family. If they want to do similar and invite my parents without my family then they can, I couldn’t care less about not being invited as I don't even want to spend 1 minute in their company.
Not everything needs to stop just because some of us can’t be together in those situations anymore.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 06/08/2025 11:49

I get it.

Your SIL behaved badly, yet you’re the ones that are missing out.

On the face of it SIL and PILs aren’t doing anything wrong by holidaying together, but I imagine there’s a creeping sense of injustice that you’ve ended up the ones being excluded in the end.

From your comments on this thread you sound like a self aware and reasonable person, so I’m going to say YANBU. In families it’s often the unreasonable ones that end up ‘winning’.

Topseyt123 · 06/08/2025 11:49

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

Surely the time to discuss that is not when a holiday is being planned? It should be on a totally separate occasion.

I doubt such a conversation would go well anyway and the whole thing is better left in the past, not dredged up again and rehashed.

DappledThings · 06/08/2025 11:50

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

I think that's a crazy expectation I'm afraid. A decision has been made for everyone to move on and holiday seperately in the future. I don't think anyone else wants to rehash an old argument.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:50

thepariscrimefiles · 06/08/2025 11:35

Did your PILs take your SIL's side in the argument with your DH? Do you think that if your DH invited your PILs on a holiday with your family they would come?

Could you go on holiday with your family?

They didn't take anyone's side. Just said they were upset that it happened. They have told us they'd go away with us if we invited them so no issue there. On reflection I think we didn't consider a holiday with PIL's and not SIL's family as we wouldn't want to bring it to the forefront again just as we were all civil. SIL obviously doesn't see a problem. I feel that I'm upset about the fall out and she's not which again is fine. I see this is a 'me' issue now

OP posts:
Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:50

BlueEyedBogWitch · 06/08/2025 11:49

I get it.

Your SIL behaved badly, yet you’re the ones that are missing out.

On the face of it SIL and PILs aren’t doing anything wrong by holidaying together, but I imagine there’s a creeping sense of injustice that you’ve ended up the ones being excluded in the end.

From your comments on this thread you sound like a self aware and reasonable person, so I’m going to say YANBU. In families it’s often the unreasonable ones that end up ‘winning’.

Did the SIL behave badly? I’m sure she has a different perspective. And there’s nothing stopping the OP inviting the in laws on holiday?

McSpoot · 06/08/2025 11:51

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:46

I think maybe a conversation would have opened up for us to talk about what actually happened. I think that's what I was hoping for

What’s stopping you from reaching to have the conversation that you want? You cannot blame them for opening a conversation that you’ve not opened.

WhenInRomeDoAsTheRomansDo · 06/08/2025 11:51

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:44

I hate the not clearing up after a communal meal and let’s just sit and chat thing. Because in my experience it means it doesn’t get done fairly and it ends up being me who does it. And it would really piss me off 🤣. It would only ever happen once though, especially if I was the cook, and the people concerned would get a flea in their ear. And if it happened a 2nd time, I wouldn’t be going on holiday with them ever ever again.

I had two family holidays that were disasters. One where I carried the bulk of the domestic chores and ran after my kids when my in laws had no kids and one of them was where the in law bought all round them for their one child and we had more than one and couldn’t do the same for ours and their parenting was so different from ours it was clear we weren’t in the same page.

it pissed me right off so never again.

what I did do, though, was holiday with the parents. Just not the siblings.

I suspect this may be one of the root causes. SIL may have got to the point of being fed up with a repeated pattern of behaviour. The OP has brushed away the SILs feelings as her being difficult but it would be interesting to hear her side.

Reconciliation won't happen unless they have an honest conversation which it sounds like they won't do. So they are stuck with this new dynamic.

Plus it sounds like SIL has found a solution that works much better for her family and her parents so unlikely to risk another holiday fall out.

pinkdelight · 06/08/2025 11:52

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:44

I absolutely see the irony with what i said here. Perhaps this is why we don't see eye to eye!

Agreed! And hence it's definitely not a good idea to have the conversation about what happened. No idea why you'd want that to blight the relationship further. It's not like you've come around to her way of thinking so why d'you think she'd have come around to yours? No good can come of raking it up again.

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:52

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:50

They didn't take anyone's side. Just said they were upset that it happened. They have told us they'd go away with us if we invited them so no issue there. On reflection I think we didn't consider a holiday with PIL's and not SIL's family as we wouldn't want to bring it to the forefront again just as we were all civil. SIL obviously doesn't see a problem. I feel that I'm upset about the fall out and she's not which again is fine. I see this is a 'me' issue now

You’re not going to get the former closeness back.

you went on holiday and it showed up that you aren’t compatible, that your core parenting values and behaviours don’t align.

I doubt it’ll ever be the same again, I’m sorry.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:53

VintageDiamondGirl · 06/08/2025 11:38

But both sister and brother said no more family holidays. So how did this one come about? There must have been numerous conversations about this holiday. I wonder how the parents in law really feel about it? Might it be that SIL actually took PIL on holiday?

MIL in law has told me that she is upset about the whole situation (a bit like me) but doesn't want to say no to her daughter which i get. She said either way someone was going to be upset and she was in a no win situation

OP posts:
BlueEyedBogWitch · 06/08/2025 11:53

Tippertapperfeet · 06/08/2025 11:50

Did the SIL behave badly? I’m sure she has a different perspective. And there’s nothing stopping the OP inviting the in laws on holiday?

I’d say she did, yes.

huuskymam · 06/08/2025 11:53

You should be relieved you weren't asked if you wouldn't go anyway. Can you book one for your family and invite the grandparents.

ArcheryAnnie · 06/08/2025 11:54

I do understand why you are upset, but (gently) YABU.

I'd try to take this as a win: you now have full, cast-iron permission to invite your inlaws on a holiday without inviting your SIL and her family. Think about what you'd like to plan with them.

Topseyt123 · 06/08/2025 11:56

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:50

They didn't take anyone's side. Just said they were upset that it happened. They have told us they'd go away with us if we invited them so no issue there. On reflection I think we didn't consider a holiday with PIL's and not SIL's family as we wouldn't want to bring it to the forefront again just as we were all civil. SIL obviously doesn't see a problem. I feel that I'm upset about the fall out and she's not which again is fine. I see this is a 'me' issue now

So you can actually see that there is no issue here. SIL is abiding by what was said and mutually agreed after the last holiday blowout.

PILs are playing fair in the middle too. Invite them next year and in the meantime continue your civil relationship with SIL and her family.

Problem solved. Let it drop.

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:58

BlueEyedBogWitch · 06/08/2025 11:49

I get it.

Your SIL behaved badly, yet you’re the ones that are missing out.

On the face of it SIL and PILs aren’t doing anything wrong by holidaying together, but I imagine there’s a creeping sense of injustice that you’ve ended up the ones being excluded in the end.

From your comments on this thread you sound like a self aware and reasonable person, so I’m going to say YANBU. In families it’s often the unreasonable ones that end up ‘winning’.

Thank you

OP posts:
MixedFeelingsNoFeelings · 06/08/2025 11:59

FWIW OP, I was one of the few to say you aren't being unreasonable to find this hurtful. I'm sure you have no intention of "dictating" what other family members do about their holiday, or having the attitude that 'if we don't go away, no-one goes away.' Quite the opposite. To me it sounds like you're the most accommodating and conciliatory member of the family, who's taken a fair amount of shit from SIL over the years to keep the peace

But the shock and hurt of SIL's very public meltdown with her brother/your DH cut deep, affecting DC too, and I'm not surprised you're wondering why no-one else seems to care about that. Particularly the grandparents, who seem to be taking a studiedly neutral stance in all this. Sounds like everyone's a bit scared of SIL.

So no, I don't think it's unreasonable from an emotional point of view. But there's a very bright silver lining to all this, which is that your family is liberated from those awful-sounding family holidays. What WOULD be unreasonable is to cling on to those hurt feelings and keep crying over it. You don't want DC to grow up feeling rejected by their wider family. So wipe your eyes, shrug it off - their loss, after all - and plan fun family holidays just for yourselves!!

Sparkletastic · 06/08/2025 11:59

what does your DH think about it? Seems like you are managing tricky emotions. Does he feel the same?

pinkdelight · 06/08/2025 12:00

SunnyStrawberries · 06/08/2025 11:53

MIL in law has told me that she is upset about the whole situation (a bit like me) but doesn't want to say no to her daughter which i get. She said either way someone was going to be upset and she was in a no win situation

I think MIL is just being nice and trying to say the right things to each of you. You're interpreting it through the lens of the bossy SIL and MIL falling in line, but MIL has said they'd go away with your family too. They're just parents who love their children and GC and want to keep you all happy. It'd probably be for the best if you don't offload to MIL about being upset and put her feelings first too. The sooner you can stop dwelling on the past upset and get in gear with this actually much more workable situation where you go on happier holidays with people who get on, the better it'll be for everyone, including you and your family.

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