Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

[Holmints]

I’m seeing this so much on social media. People screaming from the rooftops how they love their bodies. Hate comments come and they combat them with body positivity, I admired them so much.

Lately though, the very people who were oh-so-body-positive are popping back up five stone lighter. Some comment on it and some don’t, as if they’re waiting for people to ask. Hang on a minute, I thought you loved your big body? Did you love being fat or not?

Those poor diabetics - no-one gave a fuck (sorry, 'had concerns') about any side effects they might be having for the past two decades!
There's something of the Brass Eye good AIDS/ bad AIDS ep about it all.

Because it has the same level of positive impact on my health and life that HRT has.

You sound like people who shamed HRT in the 90s.

I just want to reply to a post that another poster wrote.

She wrote that the food companies are making food addictive

I also think this. That they are putting stuff into food to make people overly addicted to food. People eat something, and then becone absolutely ravenous with hunger for more food

Right?

And the same people will then flip on a dime and say "you're taking supply that diabetics need"

Oh so, it works and it's safe for THEM?

We have to wait until we are actually diabetic to try to reverse it, and can't use WLIs to prevent it?

Demand doesn't have a positive effect on supply and funding and cost and availability?

True. I also wouldn't be surprised if these food companies make deals with these pharmaceutical companies.

So just to check:
If people say it works for them, that must be proof that it's just pharmaceutical company propaganda getting to them
If people say it didn't work for them, that is proof they do nothing for anyone

Do you maybe see the gap in your logic here?

Yes

That's HUGE IMO

Being able to wait, on WLIs, means I'm able to avoid those ingredients more

E.g. on a drive, I would be ravenous and unable to focus, and need to stop. 1st service stop only has a burger king. I don't even like burger king but I would HAVE to eat it anyway, just to need feel too consumed by hunger to go on

On WLI, I feel hunger, yes. Will pull in, look around, say nah, go on to the next stop, see an M&S food, get a fruit bowl, eat it and feel like that's enough of a snack to keep me going, and get on with my life

It's a terrible loop where the urgency prevents you from making the more filling choices..

What's horrific is that the food industry is trying to get on front of this and targeting the healthier food choices that people are making on WLIs

It's rigged

In my opinion it is a wonder drug. Mounjaro regulated my insulin levels to the point that within 6 weeks I was able to stop insulin and metformin. Unlike Insulin and metformin it got my blood sugar levels to be consistently in the normal range.

It has enabled me to stick to a low carb, high protein high fibre, moderate fat diet of 1400-1600 calories a day consistently for nearly a year without any binges and without feeling so hungry I just want to cry which is how I have felt on every diet I have been on in the past.

i have lost 5 stone, I am a healthy BMI for the first time since I was an infant in primary school. I weigh less now than I did when I was 11 years old,

I can jog 5k, I do exercise every day. A year ago I was in constant pain because of inflamed tendons and ligaments in my knees.

If that isn’t wondrous then how would you describe it? I have been to every weight loss support group, tried every diet. I have lost weight in the past but eventually the daily battle through 24/7 constant gnawing hunger would cause me to overeat.

I eat well now, I am healthy and have the blood tests to prove it.

I started HRT at 39.

It saved my life. I wouldn’t be here without it.

The reaction I get to being on HRT, is just as bad as saying I’m on Mounjaro. I am very much judged by my peers who are ‘getting through the menopause without it’ and ‘managing fine on supplements’. Supplements have no supporting evidence of positive effects on menopause.

I do like to ask how their bone density, heart disease and dementia risks are when they are snotty about it.

Im not saying it doesnt work for anyone.

Im saying that the fawning over the top language like "its a wonder drug oh my god i cant ever live without it again"

has definitely been influenced by the huge marketing push by the pharma company in the UK

Fat people dont get to have valid opinions

Or maybe it's actually changed people's lives???
Because it can be both. It can be marketed heavily AND people aren't just naive brain washed trend followers when they tell you how they feel in their own bodies?

If people think it has worked for them great.

I'm very cynical these days.

I was talking to a woman who worked in pharma sales (i met her through a group and we bevame friends) and she told me she was making huge money in pharma sales? but she had to leave after a while, because she couldnt live with her conscience of what they were doing to innocent people's health.

I don’t think it has worked for me, I know it has.

I really dislike the language you use about people that use WLIs

"Fawning" is what teenagers do over K-pop stars

Grown adults enthusing about a health tool should me more of an adult conversation with adult language

I do think it is dangerous though.

There is a huge hype and buzz going around about WLIs. It is the "thing" to do at the moment.

People start using them because they hear about the hype and buzz, they are influenced to use it.

Then you see the many many threads on mumsnet of people who suffer very bad side effects on WLI

Because you've extrapolated from your one example to "they'll come crashing down" instead of accepting the literally thousands of accounts of people who are losing slowly and sensibly, in low doses, eating a sustainable diet and reversing poor blood results and other problems. By all means urge caution, reputable supplier, consult Dr etc but to use your one anecdote as gospel evidence is not the right approach.

Yes it sucks that if you pay you qualify for it at a lower BMI than if you can't pay for it. Having to tip BMI 40 when there's a drug that could prevent you from getting to that, IS a cruelty

If she was in the WLI field, could that have been what she meant?

How about the many many threads of people who dont and have found it life changing?

Well its up to them.

All i can do is think and express my cynicism.

Fuck me, you are so dismissive and unwilling to concede that your bolshy all or nothing approach may not have been completely right.

I don’t ‘think’ it has worked for me. I have a years worth of 3-monthly blood tests showing a steady improvement in my HbA1C, my cholesterol levels, my liver function.

i have a years worth of weight records showing a steady decrease in my weight, a steady increase in my muscle mass, a steady decrease in my visceral fat.

No one is asking you to take these medications, you have no skin in the game, why is it so important to you to make everyone think that they are a con?

We’re all just influenced by marketing apparently. None of us know our own minds, can form our own opinions, or know that it was worked for us based on various health indicators. We must be stupid because we (were) fat, despite some of us also having first class degrees 😉

More silly teenagers language.

Imagine using language like that about other medical treatments?

Of course there's side effects. Nobody should take it if they aren't at higher risk not taking it than taking it. That should form the basis of any medical decision

Obesity is dangerous.

I was shopping for flipping mobility aids before taking WLIs! THATS bloody dangerous

How overweight do you have to be to qualify anyway? Does qualify mean you get it free on the NHS? and if you dont qualify can you just buy it? Even if you are not overweight?

If you are not influenced by marketing, why did the pharma company have to pay 22 million to get WLI's promoted in the UK?

You are very influenced by marketing.