Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

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I’m seeing this so much on social media. People screaming from the rooftops how they love their bodies. Hate comments come and they combat them with body positivity, I admired them so much.

Lately though, the very people who were oh-so-body-positive are popping back up five stone lighter. Some comment on it and some don’t, as if they’re waiting for people to ask. Hang on a minute, I thought you loved your big body? Did you love being fat or not?

Again you have no anger at all at the doctors accepting huge bribes.

Interesting. This is what lets corruption continue

I don’t know if they are or not. I just don’t care though. And you are derailing what was a good thread. We should all stop responding to this nonsense.

I didn’t say that? I said I’m not angry at you. Just bored of you derailing the thread. Have reported so hopefully @MNHQ will do something.

Threads evolve.

And its not nonsense. Its very relevant.

Yeah, this one has evolved into a ridiculous bun fight, when it was previously an interesting discussion. Shame, but there you go.

@pamelanoon it appears that the only answer you would be willing to accept is ‘OMG you’re right, all doctors are evil bastards being bribed by the devils in big pharma and everyone should back away from WLIs immediately to stop the corruption’.

The truth is as always not that black and white. Are there some doctors who are more influenced by money than the heath of their patients, yes of course there are, it’s a big group of people, most will be good, some will not. Are WLIs bad because of this, no. They are a valid and beneficial medical invention for several medical conditions, they have been in circulation for decades treating diabetes, have undergone many studies which demonstrate their effectiveness. Are some people abusing them, yes, as some people will do for any drug that is ever made available ever.

You come across as somewhat obsessive and overbearing with limited to no ability to see that this situation is not black and white/good and bad.

WLI won't be as expensive as they currently are forever - the Ozempic/ Wegovy patent expires soon, so generic versions will become available and reduce costs drastically.
It's costing me £29/ week on average though, which is affordable for me but I'm also saving on reduced food bills and not having much interest in Deliverooing. If costs don't come down though, £29/ week for life as an investment on my health feels like the best possible use for my money.
And yes, many people will be looking at it for life, just as they do for many other medications for blood pressure, depression etc. Looking at it long term might have been a better approach for your sister than what sounds like a crash diet. As we all know from years of experience those rarely succeed long term, with or without the help of WLI. It's no more unsustainable and unnatural as a long term plan than my wearing contact lenses or using deodorant for life.

I was replying to the posters who said "there is no way thst doctors are bribed, you are crazy etc etc"

They were very black and white. And wrong.

It is a very well written thoughtful post and I do appreciate the OPs perspective

However:

I was, pretty much bullied for not wanting to be only 1lb over underweight by weigh watchers. When I didn't want to reduce my goal weight further to a new goal weight, once I reached that first goal weight I was KICKED OUT OF MY MEETING.

I know other people who have been encouraged to have chaotic relationships with food and weight through another "weigh loss for the globe" organisation and one that progressed to a full ED and was hospitalised all the while being praised and enabled by the group/org

On WLIs I have been able to stop and maintain whenever I've felt I needed to. Even if I hadn't yet reached some BMI goal/ideal This has helped me to adjust to the weight loss. There has been zero pressure from my provider like there was in traditional groups. I have only tried one provider

I have done it very slowly as I'm in more control than ever before. I never eat below 1400cals and I lose a max of 2lbs /week when I'm not maintaining. I've always been able to lose, but more chaotically (lose 4, gain 2, lose 3, gain 1 sort of thing). It's steady and consistent on WLI. Ive also never been able to maintain, I sort of rebel and go F-it. WLIs have given me head space for maintenance.

There is ABSOLUTELY a huge scope for abuse
Particularly as the users are already a group who have abusive relationships with food

But for me, WLIs have been the cure for the food abuse - extreme dieting yo yo, not another tool.

It DEFINITELY needs to be tightened up!
For example I believe that anybody needing the HIGHER doses should have to have a face to face consultation.

It should not be the default that you go up a dose each month.

There should be lower doses available for maintenance. As so many of us are out here microdosing off label for maintenance anyway. And the prescribers know this but the prescribing guidelines haven't caught up yet.

I'm not at all disregarding the OPs ED experiences or concerns. There are definitely some providers using the toxic tactics of the traditional diet groups such as promoting users who had dramatic fast weight losses.

But it's like GOOD fillers or Botox: you only SEE the bad results. The good results are people you think went au naturale!

What?! Being fat is absolutely a choice.

Im overweight but not obese. I could do with losing a few kg.

However in order to be the size of some of the body positivity movement women (easily 10 stone overweight) i have no idea how to get that size. I have no idea how i would be able to eat that much in order to be that size.

It is a choice

Umm..not to be a twat but there's no such thing as a 1.1 You can have a 3rd, 2.2, a 2.1 or a 1st.

If you want to go back to the original discussion it is fine.

I feel that I have said all that I wanted to say about Doctors being bribed at this point.

Thank god for that!

I absolutely detested being fat. It was never a positive body

Yes it's evolved, move on, you've said your piece and didn't get the reaction you hoped for.

You keep asking the same questions but wanting different answers.

You're going round in circles whilst the rest of us are trying to have some sort of on going dialogue

I didn't go to University in the U.K.

But I just looked up what they call it in the U.K.

I am looking at websites about degree grading in the UK, and some say a first and they also have (1.1) in brackets, so apparently the term is also used in the U.K.

I hope you are correct.

"Didnt get the reaction i hoped for".

Lol. Imagine me sitting here "hoping for a reaction".

Eh, no i wasnt.

i was asked to provide facts and i did.
That was enough for me.

In one breath you say you can't imagine being obese

And in another you declare that you can say with authority that obesity is a choice, same as being a bit overweight in a way that's easily fixable with a bit of the ol' traditional diet n exercise

Gaining a few pounds and getting a bit tight in the waistband is not the same as living with obesity.

You don't become obese simply from having a run of celebrations in a row, or not hitting the gym over the school holidays

It's not the same process with the same factors feeding into it!

I think it might be because, given the lack of available evidence to the contrary, people do not believe that doctors are accepting bribes. It's an incredibly serious accusation to make, one which would result in immediate dismissal.

In the UK, prescriptions tend to be for the generic name, not a brand name. For example if a Semaglutide was prescribed by a doctor, the pharmacy you choose would either prescribe Ozempic, Wegovy, or Rybelsus. In that case, it wouldn't be possible for the doctor to know what you end up with. Any more than if they say 'take paracetamol', they won't know if you end up buying Nurofen or Tesco's own. So there is no way for a particular pharmaceutical company to know if they can pay an individual bribe to an individual doctor.

The articles you've posted are a bit more general than this, they're saying the pharma companies are engaging in poor marketing practice. Perhaps trying to encourage doctors to prescribe their drugs, yes, but certainly not by offering a pay per pill bribe. Pharma companies are often inherently unethical but that isn't the same as saying either the drugs are therefore not effective or required.

My biggest self sabotage is that people start to treat me better when I’ve lost weight, and it never makes me think “phew, I’m losing weight, isn’t this lovely” it makes me think “you bunch of fuckers, I was the same person when fat, you’re just judgemental wankers” and put the weight back on. Just to spite them. (Not totally but I’m not ruling that out!).

No-one gains 10 stone in weeks though, it takes years. If it takes 10 years (using myself as an example) then it's just 134 calories over your TDEE per day. That's one large apple.
Some people will have gained a lot of weight through binging on pizza and chocolate but plenty of other have slowly gained for years.

Where you say "I wouldn't be able to eat that much" ....

That's exactly the whole point.

Nobody who needs WLIs was eating BEYOND satisfaction.

They're not feeling full.... THEN STILL EATING, like you would have to if you were to aim for obesity

You are not the same
You are not walking around with the same food feedback loops happening in your own body
Therefore what works for you could not work for us

Why is this so hard for people to grasp?

1 large apple is not 134 calories.

Skinny jabs botox and fillers will all come crashing down in the end.
When a lot of people wake up about it and realise its not all what it seems.