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To be so fed up amd disheartened with all the xenophobia

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Nohqters · 04/08/2025 21:56

Honestly, I’m just feeling worn out and heartbroken lately. It seems like racism and xenophobia are becoming more and more mainstream again, wrapped up in the same tired scare stories, whether it’s splashed across a tabloid or coming straight out of Farage’s mouth. Then you see stupid threads on here about civil war trying to stir up more hate.

Even my own brother has started sounding like Tommy Robinson. Ten years ago, that would’ve been unthinkable. It’s like people have completely forgotten the lies we were sold during Brexit—by Farage, Tice and their crowd—and yet they’re still lapping up everything they say. No critical thought, just blind anger pointed in the wrong direction.
I’m so fed up with the endless nonsense about small boats, “white minorities,” and all the rest of it. It’s all designed to divide us, stoke hate, and distract from the real culprits—rubbish politicians, broken policies, and the ultra-wealthy hoarding resources while the rest of us struggle.

But instead of looking upwards, it’s always “blame Johnny Foreigner.” It’s exhausting, and frankly terrifying how quickly people fall for it.

Is anyone else feeling this? How are you managing conversations when even close family seem to be buying into this stuff? I’m trying to stay compassionate, but it’s getting harder to bite my tongue.

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JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 09:22

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earlymorningwakeup · 05/08/2025 09:24

the issue is the lack of integration
coupled with the disproportionate amount that don’t work and contribute to the economy and also disproportionately commit crime
Sweden Or similar did a big study and the above was irrefutable
it’s not racist or xenophobia to draw attention to facts

VaseofViolets · 05/08/2025 09:25

anniegun · 05/08/2025 09:21

It is the right wing facists exploiting the gulability of certain sections of our population. They are making a fortune spreading misinformation and hate.

It’s much easier to write people off as stupid and gullible isn’t it, as opposed to addressing their legitimate concerns?

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 09:25

Dangermoo · 05/08/2025 09:21

Integration is an integral part of settling here successfully. Why wouldn't they choose to do that? Which came first - the refusing to integrate and calling for Sharia law or hostile treatment, from locals?

because they aren’t being allowed to do that for one thing. Sharia law isn’t legally binding either. Funny how many Brits emigrate to other countries and don’t bother learning the language or integrating themselves - that’s okay 🤣 You’ve really swallowed all the fear mongering bullshit

Absentmindedsmile · 05/08/2025 09:26

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 09:10

Very few countries record this. Sweden is also experiencing massive problems with immigrant rapists, but again does not keep proper records.

A study by Lund university revealed 63% if convicted rapists in Sweden we’re born overseas and highest risk when they came to Sweden after the age of 15.

https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/63-percent-of-those-convicted-of-rape-in-sweden-have-an-immigrant

They record it. But don’t publish.

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 09:26

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 09:25

because they aren’t being allowed to do that for one thing. Sharia law isn’t legally binding either. Funny how many Brits emigrate to other countries and don’t bother learning the language or integrating themselves - that’s okay 🤣 You’ve really swallowed all the fear mongering bullshit

84 Sharia courts in the UK. You don’t need ‘legally binding’ to dish out your own punishments. Do you acknowledge Islamic countries are terrifyingly misogynistic and treat women appallingly? Or are you going to make them fluffy and cute in your attempt to ‘oNLY The WhiTe PeOPle aRE MeAN’

jensondolally · 05/08/2025 09:26

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 09:21

And you’ll find the ‘flag shagging’ was a response to the rape and sex abuse. It didn’t come before. This has been going on for over a decade now. Do you remember Cologne, where hundreds of young women were sexually attacked in a single evening by asylum seekers in 2016? 10 years ago, before ‘stop the boats’ was a thing anywhere? Are you going to have a go at explaining that away?

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35250903.amp

The “flag shagging” has always been around. The British Union of Facists, the NF, the BNP.

Dangermoo · 05/08/2025 09:27

NiftyBlueRobin · 05/08/2025 09:22

So for a lot of you, your argument essentially boils down to 'well British men commit crimes against women, so may as well let men from every other country do so too! It's only fair'. For those of us who do not view women as second class citizens, this simply isn't a compelling argument.

There is nowhere to deport British men to, for those of you who keep obtusely advising we do this. We can, however, impose controls on immigration.

Also, for those who keep trying to imply that British men are an equal or even more so danger to British women, are you genuinely trying to argue that cultural attitudes have no impact on violence against women? If so, you must be arguing that as a British woman your rights and quality of life are no different to those of women in countries like Afghanistan?

It is ludicrous for people to argue that allowing tens of thousands of young men into the country, many of whom come from countries that have very different cultural attitudes towards women, gay people, etc, will have no impact on crime levels in the UK. Especially when many of those men have been filmed outright saying that one of the reasons they want to come to the UK is because they've been told western women are easy.

👏 again, western women and girls can go get in the bin. Signalling virtues - laughably which protect men - is way more important. Delusion, demands for proof that problems exist, particularly with regards to sexual offences, and these people say it's the right, who are taking us backwards.

Wellnowlookhere · 05/08/2025 09:27

AlwaysBelieveTheEx · 04/08/2025 22:55

I don’t go on SM. I think Farage is a fool who could lead the country into far right territory. I have no problem whatsoever with immigration.

What I do have a problem with is the way that people are made out to be reactionary idiots for worrying about ways in which the country has changed - dramatically in some areas - and told they are hateful racists.

There are very few problems with migrants from Hong Kong, mentioned above. We need people in this country, our birth rate is getting lower. I have no problem with immigration.

I have a problem with men coming in from cultures where women are treated badly routinely, men who see white girls as fair game. I have a problem with legal immigrants whose grooming gangs activity is covered up because local authorities don’t want to be called racist. I have a problem with people dumbing this down as “you know white men rape too?”, and yes I know, and yes I have a huge problem with rape/assault wherever it comes from, but when women and girls are being affected yet again and ignored because people would rather assume they are liars and racist to boot.

I know someone who lives near a migrant hotel. It’s no longer safe for her daughters to go out to meet their friends because groups of men hang around, video them, threaten them, throw things at them, and it’s become a really unsafe place to be. This family can do nothing about this because when they and other locals have tried they’ve received the same treatment as people on threads like this. They’re made out to be thicko racists.

I know someone who escaped from her violent husband with two young daughters. She was placed in a council house in Bradford. Her daughters were targeted by Pakistani Muslim men on the same estate. They were part of the cover up that happened for decades in various parts of the UK. They reported to police, social services, their gp, their MP at the time, none took her seriously. Most implied she was racist. She and her daughters ended up recluses in the house until she managed to move a few years later.

These are real people affected by the decision to allow men from cultures that typically disrespect women and see them as worthless to be prioritised over them. Thinking this is a poor decision does not make someone racist.

As someone said on another thread, we have our own homegrown rapists that the police and courts prioritise, why allow other men from cultures with far worse track records than ours to stay in the country? This is nothing to do with their skin colour, and everything to do with their behaviour which is hushed up and the victims called racist. It’s horrific.

The left attitude towards women is disgusting. They don’t care, and would rather virtue signal than take any action that would result in better safeguarding and protection for women and children. Instead we have a party that still insists men can be women, and swears blind that these men are safe, despite years of their information not being recorded accurately by the police and other orgs in case someone turned round and <<shock horror >> called them racist.

The very reason this country has become more racist is because of this, and because of the belittling way people are spoken down to. The left have chased people into Farage’s open arms. They’ve literally created Farage’s current position for him, and opportunist that he is, he’s jumped straight into the role.

This, 100%.

FudgeSundae · 05/08/2025 09:29

Some people come from countries with different social norms and that when they come to the uk the combination of the different social upbringing and the undoubted trauma of the journey can lead them to behave in ways that are not only outside uk social norms but are illegal. This is, of course, a minority, but is also okay to be upset about it. (You mentioned Spain, I think it’s also okay for people, particularly local Spaniards, to be upset about that, particularly if it crosses into illegality).

At the same time, cost of living is going up and quality of life is going down for a lot of people. It’s interesting what you say about nazi germany, because it’s pretty well established that the nazis came to power in part because of the declining quality of life of the average German citizen due to the struggles of the Weimar Republic, war debt, etc.

It’s also a fact that the UK has a declining population and needs productive immigrant workers.

It should be possible to have a respectful debate about the above without name calling. Words like racist, lefty, bigot, wokist, xenophobic, are divisive and unhelpful, and if you’re not careful you become part of the problem.

MyNameIsX · 05/08/2025 09:29

MiloMinderbinder925 · 05/08/2025 08:57

For example, do you genuinely believe that Labour is able to get any reform to the welfare budget, past the back benches?

https://news.sky.com/story/controversial-welfare-bill-passes-final-commons-stage-but-only-after-another-concession-13394674

As I say, diluted.

Were you asleep when the psychodrama was unfolding?

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 09:29

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You’re talking through your arse with made up statistics to back up your own existing beliefs and weaponizing horrible crime to vilify a whole race of people just because you don’t like them.

If you were really concerned you could be asking these questions without making things up and bringing ‘ethnicity’ into it. Ethnicity is a different thing from culture by the way, so you’re just proving your ignorance again there. Maybe if you asked your questions in a different way you wouldn’t be met with such pushback.

Dangermoo · 05/08/2025 09:30

FudgeSundae · 05/08/2025 09:29

Some people come from countries with different social norms and that when they come to the uk the combination of the different social upbringing and the undoubted trauma of the journey can lead them to behave in ways that are not only outside uk social norms but are illegal. This is, of course, a minority, but is also okay to be upset about it. (You mentioned Spain, I think it’s also okay for people, particularly local Spaniards, to be upset about that, particularly if it crosses into illegality).

At the same time, cost of living is going up and quality of life is going down for a lot of people. It’s interesting what you say about nazi germany, because it’s pretty well established that the nazis came to power in part because of the declining quality of life of the average German citizen due to the struggles of the Weimar Republic, war debt, etc.

It’s also a fact that the UK has a declining population and needs productive immigrant workers.

It should be possible to have a respectful debate about the above without name calling. Words like racist, lefty, bigot, wokist, xenophobic, are divisive and unhelpful, and if you’re not careful you become part of the problem.

Agree, TBF.

Silverpaws · 05/08/2025 09:30

JamesMacGill · 05/08/2025 08:52

Link please?

See today programme radio 4 from 8.45am thi morning on BBC sounds

MyNameIsX · 05/08/2025 09:31

PistachioTiramisuLimoncello · 05/08/2025 09:09

Completely agree OP.
It’s totally racist - whatever the reform supporters might tell
themselves.
Sad and infuriating. Like we are going backwards.

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I am going to start calling it ‘inverse racism’…

MyNameIsX · 05/08/2025 09:33

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Vicious, and unwarranted.

You do yourself no favours.

Dangermoo · 05/08/2025 09:34

jensondolally · 05/08/2025 09:21

Yep, these people walk amongst us. Or is it just racists who allowed to use stereotypes?

Gammon is a racist term, so yes, you carry on advocating its use.

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 09:35

MyNameIsX · 05/08/2025 09:33

Vicious, and unwarranted.

You do yourself no favours.

Yeah completely unwarranted 😂😂😂😂

MyNameIsX · 05/08/2025 09:36

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 09:35

Yeah completely unwarranted 😂😂😂😂

It will be taken down shortly, so you crack on.

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2025 09:36

Dangermoo · 05/08/2025 09:34

Gammon is a racist term, so yes, you carry on advocating its use.

Gammon is most definitely not racist. It’s sexist for sure.

Dangermoo · 05/08/2025 09:37

MyNameIsX · 05/08/2025 08:54

Come now, don’t be so disingenuous.

You know it was diluted and you really think they can get other reforms through. Why do you think Starmer removed the whip from several of them.

He did well by removing a massive racist, within his own party.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/08/2025 09:37

Toseland · 05/08/2025 09:03

Society is breaking down. Britishness is apparently something be ashamed of. You can't fly your country's flag without being called a racist bigot. The top boys name is Mohammed in a Christian country! Gangs of immigrants harrass women in the street and rape our children. It's not safe to go out. There is two tier justice and policing. Those people who have lived, paid taxes, had their grandparents and great grandparents die fighting for this country feel betrayed. But nobody listens.

My parents fought for this country.

They wouldn’t feel like you. They were socialists.

Dangermoo · 05/08/2025 09:38

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2025 09:36

Gammon is most definitely not racist. It’s sexist for sure.

So white skin turning pink isn't racist?

Teanbiscuits33 · 05/08/2025 09:38

MyNameIsX · 05/08/2025 09:36

It will be taken down shortly, so you crack on.

Oh, no! However will I cope when a comment on MN gets removed? 😱🤯

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