To be so fed up amd disheartened with all the xenophobia

[Nohqters]

Honestly, I’m just feeling worn out and heartbroken lately. It seems like racism and xenophobia are becoming more and more mainstream again, wrapped up in the same tired scare stories, whether it’s splashed across a tabloid or coming straight out of Farage’s mouth. Then you see stupid threads on here about civil war trying to stir up more hate.

Even my own brother has started sounding like Tommy Robinson. Ten years ago, that would’ve been unthinkable. It’s like people have completely forgotten the lies we were sold during Brexit—by Farage, Tice and their crowd—and yet they’re still lapping up everything they say. No critical thought, just blind anger pointed in the wrong direction.
I’m so fed up with the endless nonsense about small boats, “white minorities,” and all the rest of it. It’s all designed to divide us, stoke hate, and distract from the real culprits—rubbish politicians, broken policies, and the ultra-wealthy hoarding resources while the rest of us struggle.

But instead of looking upwards, it’s always “blame Johnny Foreigner.” It’s exhausting, and frankly terrifying how quickly people fall for it.

Is anyone else feeling this? How are you managing conversations when even close family seem to be buying into this stuff? I’m trying to stay compassionate, but it’s getting harder to bite my tongue.

Perhaps we should deport all men? If we had deported them there would not have been as many murders of women, not to mention the ones who ended up in hospital or were injured and didn't report it.

My comment was in response to a post questioning being focussed on that one murder by one foreign man.
I was pointing out how that would not have happened if he hadn't been allowed in.

What does your post mean? Do you mean deport all British men? Deport them to where?

Your post does remind us though, that we have enough murderers and abusers of our own without letting even more in.

What I'm fed up with is people shoe-horning things into AIBU. This would be far more appropriate in, say, Politics.

Luckily, I don't have problems with this in my own family, but I deal with it elsewhere by politely interposing with things like, "Actually, the crime rate for immigrants is statistically lower than for native-born citizens." And then I send people informative articles, with "I thought this might interest you."

I don't think biting one's tongue, allowing this to spread without contradiction, is a good attitude. Why do you seem to feel that it's better for you to be upset, carrying this inside yourself, rather than venturing to upset others, to stand up for what's right? Why do you think you should be compassionate toward hate-filled people spreading lies?

I can help you out there.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39130356/

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55893129.pdf

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

I particularly like the part about monogamous men being more intelligent.

First, I didn't say anything about what I find acceptable. But you're saying you think you'd rather have more people likely to commit crimes, rather than more people less likely to commit crimes? But my point was that one should counter ignorant bias with correct information.
Well, if you're dreaming of no immigrants, that seems so delusional to me that I don't have an off-the-cuff answer.

If you have no immigrants, you have no future tax base, because native born people aren't having enough children for that.
So obviously you need some level of immigration, as do other countries with low birth rates among native born citizens. That's the way it is, unless all you anti-immigration ladies decide to ante up and start making babies for the good of your nation. Something tells me you aren't going to do that.

No worries. I had an immediate off-the-cuff answer to that. ;-)

Lol. Thanks. I'm not sure I agree, but it's an interesting angle.
I might have tackled it more in terms of insularity and paranoia.

:)

Interesting.
So the fact that I’m still up at this hour makes me Evolutionarily novel.
😎

as are you I see @MuckFusk

You always had rapists, murderers and child abusers coming in, as well as law abiding people. Why do you think this is something new? Is it because you believe the immigrants coming in now are predominantly of a certain race or culture, one which you associate with violent criminality?

We are not going to agree to disagree because you have attributed a belief to me which I do not hold.

Yep. I'm a night owl too. Yay us!

Okay, you rock on....

Good luck because it can only get worse.

That's a good argument, but the problem with arguing that with the sort who are strongly opposed to immigration is that they don't care if they come across as insular and paranoid. They feel okay about that. They often do care about having enough taxpayers to pay for their pensions. I have found you can sometimes effectively appeal to their self interest if nothing else. However, it's not working with this one.

Racism is bad but so is trying to silence people with legitimate concerns by pulling the race card as per usual.

Immigration was working when it was controlled. Surely now everyone can see that we’ve totally lost all control over who’s coming into the country and that worries people. No country can have hundreds of undocumented people washing up on its shores daily, it’s not racist or xenophobic to want to control people entering the country like everyone else in the world does.

It was the disabled being blamed for the ills of the country a few months ago now it's the turn for immigrants.
Yes immigration is a serious issue and has to be dealt with.
But not through violence or frothing at the mouth comments on sm .
The extreme right haven't changed tact in over 40years the dehumanising of poc makes it easier to hate them.
There isn't going to be a civil war or an uprising that's loon territory comments on sm.

I’m in the US at the moment, and staying at a gorgeous resort, very quiet. This morning I got up at 8.30am and walked to one of the pools. It’s a good size pool, plenty of loungers and chairs around it, maybe 30-40 or so. At the pool was one other man and his little girl. Lovely people, not from the US and not from the UK. I smiled, waved, had a chat about how glorious the weather was and found a lounger in the direct line of the sun to relax on. There wasn’t another person in sight. It was heaven.

This is one of the reasons I love America for holidays. So much space.

By contrast, about 15 years ago I went to Turkey. At 6am crowds of people were waiting at the gates to the pool, with towels in hand. At 7am on the dot the gates were opened and people began to run to loungers, laying towels over four or five of them. Some people came in and threw other people’s towels on the ground to stake their own claim on a lounger. Fights broke out, people shouted at each other, tried to get the hotel staff involved. Some people waited until the families who reserved loungers, went off to breakfast and then stole the loungers, resulting in holy hell breaking out later on.
People were angry, aggravated, arguing and it was simply ridiculous. Overcrowded, breeding resentment - particularly to that family who was at the gate first every morning, put down towels and didn’t return until after lunch. The animosity had little to do with anyone’s race, but everything to do with space.

And that is what we are dealing with in the UK. Sharing what people perceive to be dwindling resources, which are paid for by the taxpayer. It’s not racism as people keep trying to suggest. Or fascism. Or Nazis. People always compete for space and resources and the people paying for those resources aren’t happy. In that respect we are no different to any other species of animal. When resources start to run dry, people start to fight for them.

So I voted you are being unreasonable. Because unless you are able to open your eyes to the actual problem, you aren’t going to be able to solve it and no amount of name calling or trying to shame people will work, because those people know what you are saying isn’t true.

On TikTok there is a video of Indian tourist leaving a coach in the isle of white going to a boat trip. Someone has recorded that and tried to make out they are living there or immigrating to make others angry.

They do the same with families visiting beaches minding their business, could be here on holiday but far right people have an issue with it, whilst they probably visited Spain/portugal/turkey

Please could you quote the primary source for this information? Only, I have looked and the only places I found this was in the telegraph and on Fox News website, with no link back to the actual source. Even though I looked for ages on the MoJ website I couldn’t see any sign of this statistic, so I’m unsure why you are stating this as fact, because that statistic is so excessively high as to be completely incredulous.

However, I did find this FOI request on the met police website from 2023, and these stats do not seem to tally up to your assertion that Afghans are 20x more likely to commit sex crime

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2025/january_2025/people-charged-sexual-offences-specific-nationality-2022-2023.xlsx

I also found these prison statistics which suggest that only 2% of the prison population is made up of Middle Eastern nationals, and even then it doesn’t state what the conviction is for, so it doesn’t add up to what you’re claiming either?

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

I mean, you could say that they commited sex crime before they got here because the law is more lenient over there or it’s legalised, but how could you possibly know this? Surely if it’s not illegal in their home countries then they wouldn’t have a criminal record for sex crime for anybody to be able to claim they commit sex crime on a larger scale? So where are you getting the information from? And have you actually read and analysed the statistics properly?

Haven’t read whole thread (it’s 17 pages long!) but yes, I agree with you op.

Haven’t read whole thread (it’s 17 pages long!) but yes, I agree with you op.

Can’t edit original comment, but that should read 5%, not 2% of the 12% of foreign nationals in prisons.

Here we go again, let’s blame migrants! How many rapes, murders etc are committed by British nationals? Illegal immigrants make up around 1.8% of the UK population, so statistically if you are attacked it’s far more likely to be by a British national! But that spoils Farage’s narrative and most of the racist population of the UK! Farage himself cannot separate legal migration from illegal migration. He fails to mention that anyone who comes to the UK on a visa has to pay a healthcare surcharge of around £1000 a year! Rather than believe everything that arse Farage says do your own research and I don’t mean read papers like the Daily Hiel!