To be so fed up amd disheartened with all the xenophobia

[Nohqters]

Honestly, I’m just feeling worn out and heartbroken lately. It seems like racism and xenophobia are becoming more and more mainstream again, wrapped up in the same tired scare stories, whether it’s splashed across a tabloid or coming straight out of Farage’s mouth. Then you see stupid threads on here about civil war trying to stir up more hate.

Even my own brother has started sounding like Tommy Robinson. Ten years ago, that would’ve been unthinkable. It’s like people have completely forgotten the lies we were sold during Brexit—by Farage, Tice and their crowd—and yet they’re still lapping up everything they say. No critical thought, just blind anger pointed in the wrong direction.
I’m so fed up with the endless nonsense about small boats, “white minorities,” and all the rest of it. It’s all designed to divide us, stoke hate, and distract from the real culprits—rubbish politicians, broken policies, and the ultra-wealthy hoarding resources while the rest of us struggle.

But instead of looking upwards, it’s always “blame Johnny Foreigner.” It’s exhausting, and frankly terrifying how quickly people fall for it.

Is anyone else feeling this? How are you managing conversations when even close family seem to be buying into this stuff? I’m trying to stay compassionate, but it’s getting harder to bite my tongue.

I can't read that it is put of focus, but Lionel Shriver is a shit stirrer of the highest order. Good writer, though.

I was asking for links to the local and national news coverage of hoards of Nazis trying to burn women and children alive on a regular basis

Anyone who knew the way immigration including illegal immigration works legally knew at the time that Farage was lying
Anyone who voted for Brexit on this basis clearly didn’t think about it fully. Or bother with the research. As you say. It’s all about critical thinking

As an incidental - We need to talk about Kevin. Out of this world

Don’t understand why as a British person you want to be attached to Europe, I was born in England I’m not European I’m English

With reference to children from Gaza who need urgent medical treatment, I believe that we should, and indeed must, help them, but they should only be allowed to come here for treatment if accompanied by a female relative, and they must agree to be returned to Gaza when the child is well enough to leave hospital. If there is no Gaza by then, or if it is too dangerous, then before being flown here for the treatment they must agree to be sent to a stated Arab run country of their choice, and with the prior agreement of that country's government, of which I hope, there must be quite a lot of choice.

Our best lawyers would need to make sure, and agree, that there are no loopholes in the joint agreement. If any particular child would have to be accompanied by a male - relative or not, last minute or not - then the poor child can sadly not come here. One last reason for not being allowed here, would be if the child was a male, and 12 years old or older.

Seriously? It is true all right wing people are vile?
What ideology are you referring to?
This sort of statement is why there is a growing division, there was a time not so long ago when people who had different opinions, even ideologies, would talk to each other and, heaven forfend, listen to each other, but now people are increasingly entrenched and blinkered.
People will not engage in meaningful dialogue if the other side clearly holds them in contempt.

Strange that people can't see that if that one murderer hadn't been allowed in, that one woman would still be alive today.

That ONE being allowed in has made all the difference to her family.snd friends.

And some people strangely, want more?

As someone who goes between the US and UK and feel the right wingers for each country are edging each other on across the pond I agree. It’s scary, disgusting and I suspect things will get worse. I just came from a thread yesterday with lots of hatred and scapegoating of asylum seekers and they just wouldn’t see reason. I’m at the point of not engaging with folk like that anymore. I know they talk about open dialogue etc but sometimes I’m done. I think there’s more hope for younger people but once people reach a certain age with those views it’s hard to change them. So I’ll just keep my sanity and peace instead of wasting my breath

If this is supposed to be an anti hate thread. Let’s all be nice to each other and not make blind sweeping statements about segments of the population. Well. It’s all gone horribly wrong for you OP

You can’t start a thread asking for everyone to get along in this country and then throw out an attack at those you don’t like.
That's hypocrisy.

Why do people think yourself something special have to go right or left? You can be on and side

It’s a bit nasty to suggest @Somerford is perverted

All they did was ask for proof of your comment.
You could just say you don’t have any or even … just ignore

You said there had been local and national news coverage of people hounding a hotel filled with only women and children. I asked you for a link, you pretended to have misunderstood me and gave a link to the hotel's own website. I pressed you further and you responded with this drivel. Were you lying about the local and national press coverage?

This is interesting, do you have a link to any of those studies? Were they peer-reviewed? How was the intelligence measured?
I am interested because measures of intelligence can be biased towards class and education (eg classing a University degree as an indication of intelligence when it can be argued it's an indication of education and privilege).
I look forward to your response and the links.

I don’t understand why you as a bright ish person wants to be under control of Europe aka Germany “why?l

I realize that, but why would it be different now?

You see, this is a reasoned, balanced and open minded argument that can and should be had.
The pathetic right wing idiots on here are exactly the people that are racist and deserve every label the take pride in getting on their bingo card.

its that approach and hate fuelled outrage that worries me. Not a reasonable debate

I am an immigrant but I don’t understand this argument of plenty of native born criminals. Every country has criminals who were born there, but they cannot get rid of them as it is their only country but that does not mean you would be willing to take in people who would commit crime. A foreign born criminal is easier to avoid than a native born criminal.

What 😂😂😂

Yeah I really can’t with this thread. Absolutely batshit,

Blessed evenings as I flounce off 👋

Whereas your input has been to get personal. Hate filled or posting something you don't want to read? If you want to talk about being reasonable, try leading by example.

I know. On that note and after three attempts, I'm switching off from this.

its messing with your mind that the working class are not racist, go read some more sociology books and deem yourself superior

“You see, this is a reasoned, balanced and open minded argument that can and should be had.

The pathetic right wing idiots on here are exactly the people that are racist and deserve every label the take pride in getting on their bingo card.

its that approach and hate fuelled outrage that worries me. Not a reasonable debate”

Poetic! It highlights the hypocrisy and confusion of our times.

True, and if they are known criminals of course they shouldn't get in. However, you can't just assume somebody is a criminal based on where they come from and deny them entry on that basis.