To be so fed up amd disheartened with all the xenophobia

[Nohqters]

Honestly, I’m just feeling worn out and heartbroken lately. It seems like racism and xenophobia are becoming more and more mainstream again, wrapped up in the same tired scare stories, whether it’s splashed across a tabloid or coming straight out of Farage’s mouth. Then you see stupid threads on here about civil war trying to stir up more hate.

Even my own brother has started sounding like Tommy Robinson. Ten years ago, that would’ve been unthinkable. It’s like people have completely forgotten the lies we were sold during Brexit—by Farage, Tice and their crowd—and yet they’re still lapping up everything they say. No critical thought, just blind anger pointed in the wrong direction.
I’m so fed up with the endless nonsense about small boats, “white minorities,” and all the rest of it. It’s all designed to divide us, stoke hate, and distract from the real culprits—rubbish politicians, broken policies, and the ultra-wealthy hoarding resources while the rest of us struggle.

But instead of looking upwards, it’s always “blame Johnny Foreigner.” It’s exhausting, and frankly terrifying how quickly people fall for it.

Is anyone else feeling this? How are you managing conversations when even close family seem to be buying into this stuff? I’m trying to stay compassionate, but it’s getting harder to bite my tongue.

So do I. And I suppose some of the people claiming asylum here feel the same way.

Your reasons, whilst they may be true, don’t assuage the unfairness felt deeply by the working poor and people who live in the same dog-shit areas and towns that seem to be chosen to house numbers of undocumented males (which is who most of the antagonism seems to be aimed at).

It’s never Chipping Norton is it? Never the lovely affluent middle class leafy areas? No. Always where folks are already pissed off and feeling disenfranchised from mainstream political rhetoric.

I'll just leave this here;

When we are able to implement a credible research design with statistical power, we find no evidence of an average causal impact of immigration on crime

https://izajodm.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/2193-9039-2-19

As are the left - evidenced on this thread.

We have a processing centre (it used to be an hotel, its definitely not fitting that description any more. I go there to help)

We are a very middle class and aristocratic landowning leafy area on the border of a national park. Just for balance. I guess we just aren't in the news as much.

What has vaccination status got to do with any of this?

Do you lack so much critical thinking yourself, that you actually believe being patronising towards others who haven’t had the same experiences as you actually helps people to even try to see your POV? You clearly haven’t experienced what others have as regards to uncontrolled immigration. Lucky you, but unless you’ve walked in the shoes of those who have been negatively impacted by mass immigration, maybe have enough self awareness to at least try to understand that not everyone has the same experiences. You seem to follow that lazy argument that anyone who has concerns about immigration must be racist…..

Being goady shows total lack of integrity and costs you the argument.

I know a lot of you obsessed people STILL can’t understand why the masses voted brexit . We did not want to be controlled by people who know nothing of our culture or beliefs lifestyle, aka not English or British. I do not identify as European, obviously I was born on that continent but we have different values. I welcome new people, people who respect our country, ffs why don’t you clowns understand that?

We can’t deport natives though, unfortunately.

Do we regularly see that? When and where? The last migrant hotel protest I saw seemed to be a hotel full of exclusively men. Who were at the windows smirking and mocking and taunting the protesters. Not looking at all like beleaguered refugees escaping persecution, people who you'd imagine would feel gratitude to their new host country and who would want harmony with the people whose taxes are paying for their housing, food, health care.

@NellitheNelephant

I’ve seen quite a few broadsheets quoting the figure that 12% of the prison population in the U.K. are foreign nationals. I suppose that is a starting point. You can find some level of breakdown on the MoJ website - it’s not about skin colour or racism per se, but there are particular nationalities (amongst them, Romanian, hence it not being about skin colour) that are overrepresented.

That's way out of date. The data they use comes from the 2000s.

that is from 2013 do you have any newer sources

No, they value those ideas less. I think if someone has put work into developing thoughts, ideas and values, they're always going to wonder why other people haven't.
Also remember that various studies have found left wing voters to be more intelligent than their right wing counterparts. Human nature being as it is, more intelligent people are unlikely to respect less intelligent views. Quite interesting really.

No, it's not ok for British people to move to Spain, stick with their own and not learn Spanish. You don't know what you're talking about.

My parents moved to Spain 40 years ago.
They had no work but immediately had to start paying into the medical insurance system.
My dad tried to taxi using his own car and a bunch of Spanish taxi drivers beat him up.

By law, Spanish employers had to offer a job to three different Spaniards before being allowed to offer it to a foreigner.
My parents got by by scrubbing floors and helping other English people.

They and their friends didn't build their own church.
None of them raped and assaulted kids.
They didn't have their own shops selling only English food.
They learnt Spanish, ate Spanish food and lived and made friends with the locals.

Spain wouldn't allow me and DH to get married there even though my parents live there. We had to go to the next country Gibralter, which was British.

Parents are happy and settled pensioners now but by hell, did they have it rough at first.
Not like the foreigners who come here and take OUR resources for free.
Yes OURS. I'm waiting for surgery and keep getting moved down the list.
Who do you think I should blame besides the useless politicians?

Do you think I should blame my own countrymen because it sounds as though that's exactly who you think I should blame?

We are on the south coast and yes we do. We dont have young men its families and many children. I appreciate we might be an exception but I volunteer with them.

Again. 🙄 An assumption that if you are concerned about uncontrolled illegal immigration you are also too thick to grasp the concept of diversity being good for society. It’s a false binary. Of course there are bone headed thick as pig shit racists, but that does not account for everyone who is concerned about this issue.

People, ime, don’t mind immigration as long as it’s assimilated in a sustainable way both economically and culturally. Immigration that is out of control means it’s less likely to get the kind of diversity that we want, and that will improve our country.

I saw a video the other day of a man with blood pouring from his eye. His only crime was being of ethnic minority and working at a hotel housing migrants where there was protestors.

A Saudi student has been stabbed to death hardly heard anything about it. 2 men have been arrested.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4e2q12nz2o.amp

😆 🤣 the arrogance continues. Somebody better tell Eton that they are churning out thickos. 🙄

Thank you for a sensible intelligent comment

I think this is the issue we rarely see women and children? So are they all just left behind fending for themselves, if half the young men leave the country where does it leave them and the country itself, potentially without a large amount of working population, does that then not make situation worse. Its all very complex and bigger issues to be tackled lomg term. This feeling is not just across the uk either it is in some european countries as well. Solutions do need to be put in place , what I don’t know ?

eton been churning out thickos for years, puppets on a string example? Boris

To be fair, I'm not sure 52% counts as "the masses".

My understanding is that people voted following a campaign of misinformation, outright lies and Russian influence, in the absolute midst of the ideological "austerity" that defunded local councils and demolished the resources we all rely on. In that context it's not hard to see either why people are pissed off or why they're susceptible to being manipulated into blaming the wrong people for the difficult living conditions the UK faces.

Agree. Yet some hard of thinking people can’t grasp that we have enough British born delinquents here, so why would we want to invite and accept delinquents from other countries when we don’t have to? Anyone found to have a history of crime in the country they’re fleeing from, or commit a crime whilst here waiting for their claim to asylum to be looked at, should be fast tracked straight out of the UK.