Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

I know what I wish I felt, and what I actually feel.

I helped to campaign for asylum seekers to be housed in a local hotel. I was very vocal about how "history repeats itself because no one listens" and felt passionately about helping people when they are desperate.

Then I spent a year living in a town with a high proportion of men from a very different culture and it took me years to get over it.

I think PP is right when she says that this is a problem that disproportionately affects working-class areas, so it's easy for the middle classes to hold the moral high ground.

Which town?

This is effectively happening in certain areas in more subtle ways I’ve lived there, I’ve experienced it. So no. I will not “just stop” it’s clear some people don’t understand what’s happening in certain areas of the country. Had your child been in a class where groups are speaking their own languages and your child is the only one whose first language is English? Mine has. I’m sorry but your narrative just isn’t the experience of many.

We need to address the situation that is arising. Whilst people aren’t listening and telling people to “Just stop”, people who are experiencing being forced out of areas that they live because it’s becoming intolerable to live there tensions are increasing more and more. We need to find a peaceful and workable solution to this asap. People shutting down discussion are increasingly becoming as much of the problem as migration. It shows a complete lack of understanding and empathy towards other’s lived experiences

Because any attempt at changing the local culture in say the UAE is likely to get shot down in flames (and potentially get that person thrown in jail)

And one of the best things about modern British culture is that we're NOT like the UAE (and many other countries) in that respect. Why seek to emulate far less democratic countries?

definitely not. It is using His name in vain, just as Trump does

Both Bulgaria and Russia in your example are Christian countries… just saying

Which cultures? There have been instances in Iran (although given the outcry there I am not sure it is “culturally and legally acceptable”) (and even in Iran hair is not fully hidden).

Where else?

Exactly this.

And yet loads of British men are domestic abusers and a quarter of women have experienced domestic abuse, including being beaten. We’ve just had a domestic abuser die and be completely idolised and we are told to shut up because some people liked the songs he sang.

We're not a Christian country. In the last census less than 50% of the population identified as Christian. Not all British citizens are white and Christian!

Nothing I mentioned is happening in the UK.

You are lying. No part of the UK is being colonised. Pick up a book - read of what colonialism entailed in Africa, India, North America etc for native populations and please explain where that has happened in the UK.

Also to be clear I am not saying you should stop talking about opposition to immigration.

But stop saying it’s hypocritical to not be opposed to immigration while objecting to colonialism.

They are not remotely similar.

Is it culturally acceptable and legal to beat women with sticks for showing hair in Western Europe?

I agree. But if we were a Christian country, shouldn't we be queing up to help those in need?

When people say this is a Christian country, it means culturally Christian, you do know the difference don’t you? Actually the love and light Christianity is fairly modern in invention. Not being welcoming to heretics and infidels has a much much longer history than the very modern religious tolerance you’re thinking about,

Where is it culturally and legally acceptable to do that outside of Western Europe?

No see my post below yours for an explanation on this.

No, is it acceptable to do so in other countries? Genuinely?

Well this talks about violence against women as a whole, but doesn’t seem to feature much in the pro Hamas supporters rhetoric as they wave their flags

palestine.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/ending-violence-against-women-3

Iran and Afghanistan.

No

Yes it is. Does that change your opinion on mass immigration or is it an acceptable downside?

No, of course not. Don’t be daft. This is Britain, not some third world hellhole.

A civil war isn’t going to happen, but a very British sort of revolution may well do. Every current indicator of public opinion suggests that Reform are going to win the next general election and that Nigel Farage will be the next Prime Minister.

Of course, there isn’t going to be an election for four years, and a lot can change in that time, but such is the scale of public anger at the state of this country, the failure of governments to deal with uncontrolled mass immigration and disillusionment with mainstream politics that a Reform victory is now very likely. If establishment politicians cannot or will not do whatever it takes to control our borders, the people will elect radicals who will.

This would be a turning point in British history comparable to the first Labour government a century ago.

Of course there won't be. The fact that there's only ever riots when its nice weather shows its not a 'cause' but just an excuse for drunken violence. All these online 'warriors' are just rentagobs, calling for 'others' to make a fight. Odd, sporadic localised trouble maybe, like we are seeing already, but not an orchestrated 'civil war', can't see any 'organisation' behind it, just rentagobs.
I have heard lots of 'talk' tradies all spouting it, rubbing hands in glee at the thought but when challenged none actually want to do it themselves. They can't afford to get into trouble, they have mortgages, businesses to run. their wives would kill them too😂

Maybe they're in Scotland? 🤔

I wish you weren’t allowed to talk about it @exhaustedandwholly because from my experience you lot of one note shit-stirrers do nothing but.

If there was one place on this unholy island that had a sign in the window saying ‘No English’ not only would it be on every FlagShagger Facebook group in the world, the Daily Mail would be live broadcasting from outside it whilst Bazza from Barnsley with more teeth than brain cells insisted someone coming in on a boat stole his job as a neurosurgeon.

Do I think there will be civil war? If there was, it would last less than a week. Garbage, Tiny Tears Tommy and their mates would abscond under the cover of darkness to their second passport homes (remind me what those people are called) never to be heard of again.

The freemen of the land and the patriots would get tired of having to be out of the house for longer than an average pub session, would start fighting over who got to be in charge til it got boring or hard or the footie was on, complain that there was no food, no takeaways, no beer, no breaks and no telly out in the trenches of Dover or Bradford.
A couple of sleepless nights in a tent and no fry-ups prepared by a minimum wage immigrant and the threat of having to sweat over something other than a curry would have them waving their flags in surrender quicker than you can say Farage is a fuckwit.

How this country built an empire is a mystery if the current crop of King and Country Dad’s Army rejects is prime fighting man.