Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

Exactly, many of these men are coming from countries where the age of consent can be as low as 9.

There was a case recently in my town of a man in a migrant hotel who was hanging around the local high school and trying to grope young teenagers. Other ones of them taking pictures of young girls and kids in the park.

They know if they committed these sort of crimes in their own country, they would likely be tortured in jail.

I agree OP. The county cannot cope with the people in it as it is- people can’t get an NHS dentist, the waiting lists for NHS services are longer than ever, A+E is permanently rammed, people struggle to get GP appointments… yet apparently it’s a great idea to bring more people into this!

Nobody is colonising the UK.

I am sorry but they are not. They are not forming new made up countries, forbidding locals speaking the local language, encouraging warfare, establishing communities where it is illegal to enter unless of the colonising group, using violence to supress local dissent while claiming these new countries as part of their home country’s empire and decimating entire ethnic groups.

Just.

Stop.

Comparing migration to colonisation is the hight of ignorance of what the latter entailed.

God knows why though. We've got plenty of home grown thick as mince shit stirrers as it is.

And the thing is, home grown rapists know what they’re doing is wrong. Those coming from countries who think men have a right over women’s bodies are far. Far more dangerous

No, I don't OP.

I posted this on the other thread about "Civil Unrest". I think it bears repeating here.

This is Zoe William's excellent summing up of TGT. Its influence is plain to see across SM and in real life.

"This is the great replacement theory, the organising principle of white supremacists: it isn’t voguish any more to simply hint that white people are better. When you’re looking to get racism off the sofa and generate a bigotry with some observable output, you have to create the sense of an active threat. This is where you bring in grand conspiracies, where Muslims seek to overrun the Judeo-Christian order by first arriving and then breeding faster. It’s an unabashed and disgusting assertion, taking as its first principle that every baby isn’t as precious, as miraculous, as exquisite as the next".

Agree. The recent incidents in Epping and Nuneaton are fuelling the fire.

You tell yourself that.
Meanwhile people who’ve had first hand experience and have had their lives curtailed will carry on being called racists and Russian propagandists 🙄

There will not be a civil war in the UK as a whole unless there is total economic collapse. I don't predict even a return to the Troubles in Northern Ireland, though that's a little more possible.

However, there are hardliners on all sides who need to be resisted where possible. The forces of social conservativism are dangerous to everyone, especially to women, whether they come from the Christian Right or the Muslim Right, the NatCons (or whatever they call themselves now) or the Tommy Robinson supporters or the Islamists, the Trumpsters or the Saudis. In fact, I would worry at least as much about rival right-wing factions getting together to impose reactionary policies as about their fighting each other. (E,g, Andrew Tate is basically a Trumpster and a hardline Muslim rolled into one.)

'We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life.'

We are actually a pretty secular, religiously tolerant country and I would like to see this preserved against the right-wing of all religions.

'Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?'

I wouldn't consider any of the above countries as a model to imitate!

If by 'adapt to our culture' you mean 'respect the law', I'd agree. If you mean they've got to become Christians or avoid following their own cultural practices, I would strongly disagree.

Round our way they disguise themselves as schools.

Of course they may not integrate well, but there are important differences. British expat communities usually make significant contributions to the economy. Their culture and background poses no risk to the host country. And Muslim countries are often hostile to those from Christian countries, making full-blown integration downright dangerous in some cases. If I was a Christian living in Pakistan no way would I try to integrate in the same way a Muslim could safely integrate in the UK. Pakistan has blasphemy laws that have had devastating consequences for non-Muslims.

Ignorining the rest of your post as most of your " issues " have been addressed by other posters , I would challenge your view that we are or even should be a Christian country . Aside from the fact Christianity in its various forms has been responsible for some terrible actions , I am white and British but definitely not Christian. Where do I fit into your narrow minded beliefs about values OP? .

I am female, white, British and lost interest when OP said “we are a Christian country.”
Goady and bigoted post.

Then name the town.

Are you willing to go back to placate people like OP and others who think you are importing a dangerous ideology to the UK?

In which country is the age of consent 9? You do know that the majority of Muslim countries have an age of consent higher than in this country?

I don't think we are, but it's being weaponised by people who don't want any brown people here. The perception is being created that an entire swathe of people from particular cultures are all exactly the same, and it is being used to further a hateful and xenophobic agenda.

Furthermore, none of the people who use this trope ever seem to acknowledge that British and other Western European men are just as awful - and I actually don't think the % of men who behave in that way is any higher in Muslim men. They just hide their misogyny better.

Noticed this morning that there was a strange post about someone feeling that there was ‘something brewing’ or some other nonsense and now this bigoted poster. Bots?

Ironically, none of these type of threads are ever very Christian in spirit.

An Italian person in France/Spain/Germany would speak English if they didn’t know the local language as would a Spanish person, a Swedish person, an Indian person. English is Europe’s (possibly the worlds) second language, it is lazy to not learn other languages but it’s not as critical for native English speakers.

Nigel, is that you? Knock once for yes, knock twice for no.
There seems to be more and more of these posts on Mumsnet and I strongly suspect that we have political campaigning from Reform going on here. Today I’m not going to go through the thread reporting racist comments to Mumsnet, but I will encourage the moderators to weed out the racists.

We are talking about failing to integrate by failing to learn the local language.
That’s a very separate point to the one you are trying to make.

People who are likely to vote Reform like the bluster though don’t they. Easy to understand, tells it like it is, but no policies on what they would actually do. They just stir people up who are a bit lacking in other ways. Ditto Trump. It’s so easy to do now too.

If Labour don’t improve over immigration there will be a lot of Reform MPs next time. Civil war? Doubt it. More like street violence. Local council wins don’t necessarily translate to MPs either.

It’s culturally and legally acceptable to beat women with sticks for showing hair in some cultures that we have welcomed to our country, how does this compare with Western European men?

Yes it’s really risky for the thousands of retired Brits in Spain and France, not economically active, to learn even a basic level of Spanish. The vast majority of Muslim immigrants and other immigrants in this country speak fluent English. They might not speak it among each other but why should they?? As if any Brit would insist on only speaking the local language to their British friends while abroad. What if it offends the Portuguese to hear Brits going around yacking away in English? Just as it offended the man who subjected me to a disgusting tirade when I was speaking a foreign language on the phone to a family member.