Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

Not sure If this counts as "acceptable" ...but certainly "done"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini

My friend was throttled and choked by her Muslim husband in UAE. When the police arrived, they laughed and told her it is acceptable in Islam to discipline your wife. In my XH’s home country, honour killings are common if a woman brings shame on the family.

I’m not for one moment saying that all Muslim men are like that. My XH and his family are all respectable, pleasant people.

However, unless you have lived in these countries and witnessed it first hand, then you can not compare.

Sorry but you're wrong. The data is there. Pakistanis are up to four times more likely to be behind grooming, and foreigners are three times as likely to commit sex offences than Brits. Which is astonishing when you think that proportionally there are far fewer of said minorities living here in the first place.

In Afghanistan they are bringing in new rules that state that women should only show one eye in public

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1390553448880582

Social media is one of the few ways people can actually see what's going on; which is a good thing because no official sources are telling us!
People like the OP describes are visibly angry - and the govt response is just to push back harder and suggest that anyone even vaguely concerned is 'far right'. It's frankly bullshit!
They need to start listening or things are not going to end well...

You post is laughable. It’s amazing how bigoted and abusive you can be to certain groups of people. One issue I always find with the far left is their total inability to comprehend how anyone could possible think in any different way to them.

I live in a part of the UK that regularly gets called out as a “no go area” due to immigration. Apparently it’s unsafe esp at night, we have sharia police, women have to wear headscarves, no one speaks English, etc.

Its all BS so I don’t even entertain discussions like this IRL anymore. I’m a white British atheist and feel accepted by my local community, our neighbours are lovely and everyone generally gets along. I feel safer here than I felt living in a middle class v white gated community where there was a lot of personal theft/robbery just beyond the gates!

Yes I agree, but why does this mean it’s ok to welcome men from certain cultures that hate women, and affect women in the areas they are placed?

The Uk is nowhere even close to civil war! For a civil war there would need to be at least two large organized groups who were armed and and at least one group intent on either aiming to overthrow the government. Most of the country is pretty apathetic to political issues and don't even bother voting which shows that any unrest is limited to a few small groups and areas. A bit of cultural tension and a government who are a bit wishywashy are not the sorts of things that lead to a civil war.

No.

It’s the law in Iran. It’s the law in Afghanistan and it’s a sin under sharia.
It should be easy to find out more through Google.

How many ‘instances’ of women being beaten with sticks for not covering their hair is acceptable to you?

Yeah, sure, OP 🙄
Where is this "large population of Russians"? Perhaps you mean Russian-speaking Latvians? It's nearly impossible for Russians to obtain UK visas these days.

Well exactly, why would we allow lots of undocumented men into the country who have been brought up in countries with even less tolerance that the uae and not understand the culture here.

No were all too apathetic- which is part of the problem. We were not even out there protesting about the state pension age. In France this caused riots.

No, but I think that there have been several MN threads over the last few weeks that are desperate to push a certain narrative.

She defo isn't speaking about Scottish people putting signs up.

Have you read the thread?

There was a Reform candidate at the last general election who, when asked why he was standing, said "Last summer I was at immigration at Stansted coming back from holiday, and there were so many people there, and I thought, immigration is out of control". Apparently it didn't occur to him that the vast majority of people in the queue were his fellow Brits also coming back from holiday and "immigration" was another word for passport control.

So not a Christian country, then. Christianity is a religion and not a culture.

Please name the town where there are notices in shop windows saying “no English” and a few photos of these notices, thanks.

Well its been almost 500 years since the last one. Let's ban Christmas too like those great Christian Puritans did.

No. They just expect everyone to speak English. Which mostly, they do.

The poster is getting at the sheer hypocrisy of those who are angry/worried about so called “immigrants not knowing English in the U.K.” rhetoric.

The poster doesn’t care if people speak English and live in the U.K or not OR if in the same way British migrants go to Dubai or Spain and don’t speak Arabic or Spanish - that’s not their point. They are getting at the sheer hypocrisy of the racists who “want everyone to speak English here” - but think it’s fine to live in other countries and not even learn to say hello.

So far as I'm aware, there have always been minorities living in groups in the UK.
The Romans and Normans invaded us. We had the Huguenots and Walloons in the 16th-17th century. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, we had Jews fleeing pogroms in Russia. We had refugees from Hungary in 1956. Also, Ugandan Asians in 1972.
I'm sure there have been many more, too.
So it's not exactly a new situation and I'm sure they also lived in enclaves.
But I do agree, there is a lack of expectation that people should conform to existing traditions. Perhaps that's linked to Britain's liberal, laid-back approach.

I also find the whole 'decolonisation' thing 'problematic' although I'm sure I will be tracked down by the thought police and exterminated for saying so. It presumably makes a certain type of person embrace shame about anything to do with British culture and traditions.

@MyHeartyCoralSnail what’s laughable is that you only seem to worry about the threat of violent men when those men are brown or not English. You’re very impassioned about defending abusers when they are white and homegrown though. How very predictable.

How old are you OP? I don’t want to sound patronising, but I feel as if I’ve been hearing similar rhetoric about foreigners “taking over” and the disastrous effects of immigration on British society and culture for most of my 46 years and no war has broken out yet.

There’s been the same panic and pushback against every wave of immigration to the UK; Enoch Powell banging on about “rivers of blood” in response to the Windrush; the National Front inciting violence against South Asians in the 1970s; UKIP promising to save us from the Polish “invasion” in the early 2000s…

In reality what happens is these influxes of immigrants end up largely integrating by the second generation, and expanding what it means to be British without fundamentally changing it. I grew up in the midlands and went to school with the children of the South Asians who had arrived in the 70s, and while their parents may have spoken limited English and obeyed the cultural norms of their home countries, their offspring had the same ambitions and interest in popular culture and teenage-mischief as us white kids.