Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

I blame the Normans

Referring to other people as "it" is a bit gauche too...

Actually I think you might be saying something else. Idk

BRILLIANT POST. You have nailed it.

Well it's their ferocious grip on the land they relieved the Anglo Saxon of that perpetuates inequality to this day. They ain't gonna give that up anytime soon.

Obviously not nailed it well enough since it got deleted!

One last time:

I said I'm walking distance to two asylum hostels. I asked why you living in walking distance of an asylum hostel is bad, and you've refused to say.

I said there are four mosques within walking distance of my home. You obviously thinks that's bad too. Why?

I said there were no white boys in my son's primary school class from reception to year 6. I didn't say there were no white children in his class or his school and I said that he hadn't been bullied or left out at school.

You have poor reading comprehension and retention of information that doesn't fit your narrative, which I suspect is probably pretty common among Reform voters

Well of course it did.

@SerendipityJane

"Also very little of the wealth stolen actually made it's way into everyday life."

I reflect on this when I'm visiting stately homes. The colossal accumulation of resources among the wealth class in those days - absolutely staggering.

Every single nation has an underclass, its a fact of life. People who are prone to lawlessness, low aspirations and an entirely different moral code altogether. So that would be people who come here for a life of crime and benefits. The reasons how they got that way are likely complex and generational. But we don't have the capacity as a country to keep relieving other countries of their problem citizens, we have a disproportionate amount already of our own and more recent additions.
Please don't play the ingenue, you know full well the type of people I am referring to. But you would like to play games and pretend I'm some rabid racist who thinks anyone who isn't white British and wearing a st georges flag round their head while singing jerusalem is part of the underclass. Its tiresome and its been done to death.

But you would like to play games and pretend I'm some rabid racist who thinks anyone who isn't white British and wearing a st georges flag round their head while singing jerusalem is part of the underclass

Being a racist snob isn't about what you wear, it's what you say.

@AWitchCalledMeg

"Every single nation has a underclass, it's a fact of life. People who are prone to lawlessness, low aspirations and an entirely different moral code altogether. So that would be people who come here for a life of crime and benefits."

Children from migrant families on benefits, by and large do better in education than children from white British families who are also on benefits. They're less likely to leave school with no qualifications and more likely to attend university.

I'm happy for you that you live such a cosseted existance that you feel immune to the calibre of people entering this country and that you are such a wonderful person that you don't mind if men with a history of sexual violence are given leave to remain here.

Yes, the underclass who live around me are the ones on the estates. They smoke weed on the school run, start fights in the playground at pick up (the parents, no the children), they live in homes with peeling wallpaper, broken furniture, they do their best to stay out of work and hang out of windows screaming about who is shagging who. They let their children run riot, breed illegal dogs and sell drugs from their cars.

@Bunny44If you have never experienced that (and I never had before I moved here 5 years ago, I was encased in my little bubble of middle class London suburbia until my life changed), you are lucky.

Come and visit me in my Black Country town and you will see the underclass for yourself. It’s got nothing to with colour or racism - these are mainly all white British people.

Although, I will say, it is those “underclass” men who are patrolling the park daily to keep girls and women safe from the men in the hotel who are causing trouble and who have assaulted girls in the area.

You do realise, dont you, that Britain was not the only coloniser?
It just seems though, that we are the only ones that are expected to self flagellate over it, as if it was actually our fault!!

Also what do the pp want to happen due to it?

Oh it's full of them.

I don’t self flagellate over it, or expect anyone to. I certainly don’t feel any pride in it, though.

No probably not. People do talk about immigration, in the news, papers, the street, parliament. And obviously its a sensitive topic so people do and need to choose words carefully. They just always start off saying we're not allowed to talk about it. But clearly you are.

I agree with you, and I’m a Christian. It’s perfectly valid to criticise any faith where it’s necessary. I do myself, for example when it comes to the shameful shielding of priests who are guilty of child sexual abuse.

It’s important that criticism should be accepted when it’s valid.

Im very confused. I haven't done or seen any of this flagellation- am I acting illegally?!

@AWitchCalledMeg

40% of those arrested at the Southport riots had previously had contact with the police for domestic violence offences but I'm going to guess you feel it would be unfair to frame all men involved in these protests as people who are a danger to women?

What percentage of those granted asylum go on to be convicted of offences against women and children?

For some reasons, some people seem to conflate the idea of "not being allowed to talk about immigration" with "not being allowed to say racist things without being accused of being racist". The reality is that lots of people never stop talking about immigration, so they're clearly not being gagged!

@MyDeftHedgehog

Accusing people who acknowledge and criticise the UK's history of colonial exploitation of 'self flagellation' and 'self hatred' is a common far right culture war trope.

I wonder if you're even aware that you're doing it?

British ex-pats abroad are mostly retired, they’re not raising children without any integration. Younger people moving abroad would need to speak the local language in order to work etc.