Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

A couple of posters so far have said they’d be plain speaking and use the same mocking tone for Islam as @MistressoftheDarkSideChristianity post did.

However I think they’d stop short of that on mn, as one pp did say they would, as it would be deleted.

Let not forget about the Indian people who had no choice but to come to England when the Indian government took over from the British.

My mother was one of them. At 16, she was gang raped and beaten by Indian officials. Her (British, but born in India) father was beaten an his legs broken. He somehow got my mother out of the country, he had to go with her to protect her, and he would have been killed if he didn’t.

They came to England in the 60s with nothing, everything was taken from them.

My Grandmother, who was born in India, was not allowed to leave. The Indian government seized her documents. Their home was burned down, she to was raped and she spent the next few years homeless, before spending the remainder of her life living in a slum.

Her “crime” was marrying a British man, whose family came over during colonialism and working for the British army.

My mum came here and was treated like shit for being Indian, despite having a British passport. She was also hated by Indians for being Anglo Indian. She couldn’t win. There were so many other Anglo indian people in her situation.

Life isn’t always black and white

@MyDeftHedgehog

"You do realise, dont you, that Britain was not the only coloniser?
It just seems though, that we are the only ones that are expected to self flagellate over it, as if it was actually our fault!!""

Err, really not sure what the relevance of this is. Of course people who know anything about colonialism know that it wasn't just the UK who was engaging in colonial exploitation.

There’s a lot of criticism of the misogyny within Islam on MN. Though not the same mockery that Christianity is subjected to, I agree. But I was speaking about valid criticism of something within a religion that is wrong, not mockery, which is very different.

We get plenty of expats in London. They are paid by their own governments or international companies. Their contracts include housing, private school fees and private health care. They are meant to respect the local culture but not expected to integrate as you are only there on a temporary basis.

At least one of their languages will be English because when you move countries a lot that is the default language spoken by most expats. Also, they wouldn’t get posted to London if they didn’t speak English, as there are so many people who can.

I think the worrying thing for me, is that you don't see your post IS dripping with racism and bigotry.

I'm not sure what you think racism and bigotry is , if it isn't making unfounded claims about immigrants and asylum seekers, repeating stuff you have read in the right wing press and on GB News. You must also have deliberately gone looking for videos that support your view point.

Communities come in all shapes and sizes, I'm sure what you would describe as ' good' communities are insular and not particular welcoming to others.

Your guard also drops when you talk about us being a 'Christian Country' . Statistical when people declare their religion, that may be so, but why should other religions not exist on their own?

I would also say, without photographic evidence to back it up, that your claim of shops with signs saying ' No English' is absolute nonsense. I bet you've seen a photoshopped picture on a social media site haven't you?

We are an island built on invaders and immigrants since the first people landed here. If we do have a Civil War it will be because of the xenophobic intolerance of those who support evil politicians like Nigel Farage, a complete grifter who has monetised hatred and division.

Yes I’m ok with criticism, I don’t think religion should be immune. Mockery stays up for Christianity in posts, so far the plain speakers have said they’d would do similar for Islam but yet to post as such.

Maybe they do want to idk, but mnhq will likely delete it.

Show me one link (right move etc) that lists the below as selling points for an area and we can chat further.

• walking distance to asylum hostels
• no white children at primary school
• high crime rate
• Having a Lidl

I don't understand the rationale with the much repeated trope about this being an island of invaders and immigrants. You do understand that for many, their ancestors would have been here before the Norman's, before the danes? If you want to go back before then.. yes we quite possibly are 'immigrants' along the lines of jutes, frisians, angles, saxons.. plenty of us will have Ancestry pre-dating those also though. Particularly those of us with roots in West Wales and the Scottish Highlands. You are talking about a race and a culture of well over a 1000 years. I find it absurd to claim we are immigrants and invaders.

Some would - and did - call it obscene.

Luckily no one listened to them as they were all too busy worrying about immigrants.

We won colonising. With our language which got pickup up by the great empire of the US.

If we made a concerted effort to stop speaking English and just spoke (for example) Flemish, then no one would choose the UK to flee to.

As luck would have it, we all know how pisspoor the average Briton is at learning any languages. Even our own.

We do have a luxury here to post as such and avoid questions on where one would prefer to live and bring up DDs.

There are many of us with Norman Saxon Germanic Danish and Viking blood. Prior to that it gets harder to pin down. We are a nation of mixed races and merchant traders, farmers and trade workers who travelled through many lands. I don't see much of our pictish culture around today. No blue faces and the like? The pure English blood is harder to find if it existed at all. Is that wrong?

I've asked you repeatedly to explain why you would hate to live near an asylum hostel or a mosque, and the most interesting thing about your answers is that you clearly can't explain what bothers you about them.

If you'd just said 'you live in a poor area and I don't like living near poor people' that would make sense. But it's clearly not just about poverty and all the ills that go with it in both diverse or predominantly white areas, is it?

The problem is to honest criticise something - rather than simply abuse it - requires a degree of understanding it. That in turn requires a degree of learning and digestion. These are fairly easy to come by in the UK as we are (despite all the claptrap spouted by some) fundamentally a nation borne from the wellspring of Christianity. Even then you clearly have some thickos who despite having all that available to them on tap for free, managed to miss it all.

If people living here all their life (as they never shut up about) can't grasp the basics of the culture they grew up in, then it may be expecting too much for them to undertake that for cultures that are less integrated into our lives. And indeed what you discover is they don't.

Repeating what someone else says isn't research, so much as plagiarism.

It's this requirement of being embedded in a culture before you are able to explore it for comedic effect that is the reason you don't hear anti-muslim jokes all the time. They would make no sense to someone who didn't have a basic working knowledge of the subject. Meaning you are just left with jokes about hats (Stew 😀). And they are so passe in 2025.

I find it absurd to claim we are immigrants and invaders.

‘Bloody Beaker folk. Coming over here, rowing up the Tagus Estuary from the Iberian Peninsula in improvised rafts. Coming here with their drinking vessels. What's wrong with just cupping up the water in your hands and licking it up like a cat?

Or bought up our DC.

@EasternStandard

"We do have a luxury here to post as such and avoid questions on where one would prefer to live and bring up DDs."

I should imagine almost all of us would prefer to bring up our children in rich, liberal democracies, rather than illiberal, economically fragile and failing theocracies (although I have read the odd post lauding the low crime and taxation rates of some Middle Eastern autocracies).

This is one of the silliest discussion I’ve had on here, you clearly live in a slum by your own description. Anyway I’m going to let you argue with reality now by trying to find an estate agent that lists the below as selling points:

• walking distance to asylum hostels
• no white children at primary school
• high crime rate
• Having a Lidl
• living in a slum

Chat when you find it.

Thank you for answering. Yes I agree.

When I worked in estate agency software, one of the USPs of our product was the ability to search and match by school catchment areas.

Yup, which is why my perfectly nice house has been on the market for 9 months now. I mean, I can’t wait to get out of this shithole, so I’m under no illusions that anyone would want to move into it.

I'm not really sure who you're responding to... me or the person before?

I live in central London, right in the middle of a load of estates. It's not suburbia at all but to be honest it's quite quiet. We do have some odd incidents but as a woman who's lived in the area for a long time the only incident I had was a burglar who broke into our courtyard (middle of the night balaclava, screwdriver etc) and I popped my head out the window and asked him if he was lost and he said he had the wrong address - I can confirm he was white and English...

There are lots of families from all backgrounds and colours and most people are quiet, respectful and family orientated. The Borough I live in is great and does a fantastic job of encouraging inclusion and integration while celebrating diversity. Maybe something like that is more the answer.

@NaicePeachJoker

Ok, I get it. You hate poor people and brown people, and any area with both poor and brown people you judge to be appalling.

But you say you live in London, and London is full of both poor people and brown people. So how does that work for you?

What a sad story and how awful for them all. Yes many people had no choice. And people are heartless and cruel about how they view and treat migrants, especially those of colour, when many have already been so much. Many people leave dire situations. And I echo a previous poster about the lack of Christian values in treating people as if they're not human, when they are those in society who need our help most.