Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

This doesn’t fit with what some rely on, they’ll just not include it.

I wonder if they’d write the same for that religion.

No. This a tiny proportion. This another tactic used to shame people into silence. And why so many are still held captive toeing the self-harming, Liberal extremist line.

@NaicePeachJoker

So you're still not willing to say why you hate London?

"I have plenty of other options BTW
I’m sorry I don’t believe you. There’s no way anyone would live there by choice. I wasn’t born yesterday."

Lol. The only reason more people don't live in London is because they can't afford it. We have some of the best schools and hospitals in the country. World class parks, theatres, museums, music venues. I walk my dog every day in a public park which is so big that you can't see any buildings at all from at least half of it. 30 minutes on a train and I'm strolling along the Thames. It's wonderful.

You should be grateful London exists. London is the most economically productive part of the country - our GDP per head is vastly higher than any other region of the UK. Without London you'd all be poorer.

Happens to minorities all the time!

I was one of two or three brown faces at school in the 70s and 80s. Here I am in my 50s on a high salary, married to a nice Englishman and living a good happy life with friends of all colours! It wasn’t always easy being a minority but it’s not the end of the world, so don’t worry. Your kids might well be okay.

My white friend chose an Asian grammar school in London for her boy, which is nearly all Asian. She chose it for her white son because of the high standards of behaviour and academic achievement. He is happy and fine too. So it’s not all doom and gloom.

Actually I'm an equal opportunities naysayer in regard to organised religion, so you're quite wrong.

Religion should not be the basis of government nor named within it.

Spirituallity is a different thing and should be personal.

My opinion, and not, in my opinion, in anyway shameful.

Your answer doesn’t help because it’s woefully incorrect. Arriving here by boat is only illegal if you don’t claim asylum or your asylum claim is rejected. So in fact, renders the previous statement by @healthadvice123 pointless.

Would you write a post with the same tone for Islam?

I think it depends on your area. My London borough is nothing like this. It isn’t the richest or the poorest borough. It is pretty ordinary. I don’t recognise this world of stabbings and shootings portrayed by the media. Maybe one day my borough will become like this, but for now my kids and I feel very safe, thank goodness.

and we still love London life. My kids have come back from university and happily go into central London back at night and meet up with our friends or go to the theatre. They went to universities outside London and I encouraged them to think about living elsewhere due to the expense here. They had a ball at uni but both say that London is still the best city and they would love to live here one day. I doubt they can afford it but good luck to them!

can I ask which borough you have experience with? So I can tell my kids to avoid it..

I think it's hard for people like yourself who I suspect has has never been subject to racism to understand why people want there to be a social stigma against openly expressing racist views.

"we do NOT have free speech anymore"

Of course we do. You can say anything you want. I think what you really mean is that you want to be able to say things that other people find frightening and offensive, and you want there to be no consequences for that. But presumably not all things - so for example, you don't want people saying that being sexually attracted to children isn't really wrong. We want there to be a stigma against that because we don't want it normalised. We also don't want racism, homophobia or misogyny normalised, so when people say racist or misogynistic comments we hold them to account. I think that's what you mean by 'we don't have free speech any more'.

Or maybe you do want there to be no social stigma around racism, homophobia and misogyny?

I'm 59. When I was growing up people used to casually refer to 'Pakis' and 'Paki bashing'. A Chinese takeaway was 'going for a chinky'. Gays were 'poofs', 'fudge packers' and 'benders'. People used to think that was hilarious. Casual racism was normal. Kids would tell Indian children at school that they stank. There's a mass of evidence from social research showing that racism has been, and still is, real, and negatively impacts on the lives of brown and black people in the UK in all sorts of ways, including employment and health. I suspect it's a struggle for you to accept that racism exists, is wrong and is damaging to people.

Re: "The older generations know exactly what's going on" - the older generation are those who grew up in a world where open racism and discrimination was the norm and was generally socially tolerated. There's clear evidence from social research that older people are more likely to hold bigoted views because of this.

They hate London because they get their talking points from Russia. Russia is determined to make the West poor like themselves.

For some reason none of these people wish to go and live in the all white Christian patriarchal paradise which is Russia with its brutalist architecture, poverty and phenomenal rate of AIDS because their government is homophobic.

As the West has been following the pied piper that is Putin into Brexit and beyond, look how much poorer and shitter we have become. Yet these shills want us to go the full way so we are equal to Russia, partly because are jealous of more successful people who are funding their economic inactivity.

Look at what they are doing to America, their government isn’t providing stats for job losses anymore to cover up how shit their policies are but if you look online the people seem more focused on a C list actress jeans commercial as they slide into almost irreversible decline at breakneck speed.

Reading these posts, it feels like up until July 2024 everything was roses.

Re: "The older generations know exactly what's going on" - the older generation are those who grew up in a world where open racism and discrimination was the norm and was generally socially tolerated. There's clear evidence from social research that older people are more likely to hold bigoted views because of this.

This member of the older generation absolutely knows what is going on. And most of the bigoted views I come across are held by people younger than me. Neither of you speak for us. If you assume that racism is not still the norm and generally socially tolerated, then I don't think you live in the world I live in, because if anything intolerance and bigotry of all types are getting worse, not better. Populism has made enemies of us all, and in a world where "brand" politics reigns, it's all about dividing people, not uniting them.

Take this OP as a case in point - two inflammatory posts making wild and clearly false claims, stand back, and watch people ripping into each other 12+ hours later.

@Livelovebehappy

"Because London is a lovely place to be with its high level of crime, where everyone wants to stab or shoot each other,"

All densely populated urban areas with high levels of inequality and poverty also tend to have high levels of crime and always have done. As far as European cities go, London ranks at number 13 for crime.

"and where the proof is clear to see that Multiculturism does not work."

What is that proof? Crime rates are not proof that multiculturalism 'doesn't work', as evidenced by very high crime rates in some parts of the UK that are overwhelmingly white.

"It’s like being in a war zone spending more than a day there."

The words of someone who's obviously never been in an actual war zone. 😂

"Yet people still cling on to their £2million shoebox size houses, under the illusion they’re in some sort of utopia, feeling blessed to live in a dirty, dangerous city. Hilarious…"

I think you're struggling to understand why anyone would live in a city when they could live in a suburb or in the country. Almost all major cities around the world are busy and bring the rich and poor into contact with each other more than in the suburbs or in rural areas. There will always be people in cities who are living on the margins of society - people who are homeless, people who are mentally ill, substance abusers. I think very conservative people like yourself find this very uncomfortable. You don't want to be reminded that poverty exists and is awful. I suspect that where you are poverty is much less visible. As are the struggles of mentally ill and homeless people.

I got that shouted at me at the protest I went to by a male person of culture.

What is your culture he asked with a smirk as if to say you have nothing that's culture.

I replied you live in it, it's what you came here for.

Its not the first time I have experienced these remarks about white people. In business everyone takes it silently. No-one has any idea what they are actually thinking thinking but the gap is just getting wider and wider. I spent Christmas with an Indian and Mauritian couple, both men and the Indian mans father.

All three are sick of what happening in London.

What on earth is a ‘male person of culture’? You mean a man?

If you were training your "AI" bots on content, then this is pretty much what you would get if you restricted their learning to nothing before 3rd July 2024.

Now I am not saying that is what is happening, but as I read recently "some bots don't realise they are ...." (suggesting that not only does "AI" lack self awareness 😀)

It's quite easy to spot a right wing bleating bot - when challenged they will always deny it.

The historic, anciently historic story of Christianity was set out by men not christianity or God. It was also deeply misogynistic. The bible contains many contradictory gems which we have managed to evolve beyond. It's the love that makes the difference. Love of fellow woman and man, love of God, love of and dedication to peace. Those Christian values are worth proliferating and nurturing and they are the source of all humanity and contributed to by most religions actually. All faiths have to prevail against hatred for a liveable future as do agnostics. Human survival depends upon our capacity for understanding of each other, of the climate needs to come and of our resilience in the face of festering hatred in our communities. We all share the same desire for peace, we need to match and meet each other in our efforts to work together for it. The most heartening and moving things I saw last year amid the trouble in the country was when ordinary people of the area arrived at the local mosque with brooms and cleaning tools to help them clean up and repair everything, they chatted and encouraged each other and were present at their communities first act of community building standing side by side to make it happen . I was massively proud of all of them and in that moment so proud to witness British values or care and standing together. People have to make a start wherever they land as an asylum seeker or an immigrant. For those escaping war and loss of country my heart bleeds for them what a terrible prospect? They need understanding and care. Contrary to popular belief many of them cannot go home because home does not exist any more and they are traumatized beyond belief before they get here.

I do wish both the French and our government would redouble their efforts to smash the trafficking gangs who peddle this human misery. I wish they would escalate their efforts in that. It is organized crime and they don't really care about who dies in those boats, it is a form of war against human beings and the French and English. I feel we should be unrelentingly persistent with that.

The government of the day closed the Darien gap and that awful crossing almost over night and people are no longer dying there. I hope for something similar, to save life and encourage people to apply in the legal way. I don't believe our countries, with two armies and the whole of Europol are unable to do that? We must remember that people in boats are a tiny proportion of our immigration picture but no less precious for that. We need to prevent the practice and therefore all the unnecessary drownings.

Does your Labour version train you in this way, if you deny it you’re it.

You have an unbelievably short memory if you think all of that is the fault of the current government.

I also think that it's a wider European problem. Many of these people come through other safe European countries where the work required could be shared, it's not just down to two.

The historic, anciently historic story of Christianity was set out by men not christianity or God. It was also deeply misogynistic.

Not everywhere. Celtic Christianity had a long tradition of women priests derived from the pagan traditions it supplanted. One of the things the Augustinians had to hush up was that when they started getting further west to tell people all about this wonderful thing called "being Christian" was that the locals went "Yeah, we know. We've been Christian for centuries. Why not meet our priestesses".

Obviously that rather pissed on Augustines chips so they had to go. The Synod of Whitby 664 C.E.

Of course few to none of the people here have the faintest interest in that - least of all the slathering Reform types who haven't yet cottoned on to what the Fuhrer has in mind for women when the day comes. Let's just say that the easiest way to eliminated unemployment is to remove women from the workforce. Where they won't be allowed anyway, as who needs pregnant women working ? Who is going to cook the mens dinner a la Andrew Tate ?

Slathering reform types.
The Fuhrer.

Diversity is our strength isn't it.

It does ramp up. If one doesn’t work try another.

You’ve been sitting in a field of diverse lefties all weekend so I’ll go easy on you - Where did you read highest?

And all you need is a quick google or statista check - According to the United Nations, in 2024, the United States, Germany, Saudi Arabia, France and the United Kingdom had the largest number of immigrants of any country.

we also have a lot of people move abroad from here too.

i think you didn’t read anything I wrote and I think you can’t have a conversation or debate without it being from a defensive angle. In order to get the best outcome, one should be able to debate free of emotion or any shoulder chips, and to debate all sides of an argument even if those that aren’t held as a personal belief. Can you?