Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

What's with this type of posts on MN ately? What's happening?

Might be one way of getting the population down a little. Bit drastic, though.

“People like me” are the people you want out. Apparently our skin isn’t the right colour these days though the vast amount of tax I’ve paid and contribution to British society used to be good enough. Well, while you shout your hate into the world I’ll just keep trying to make this country and this world a better place with my positive contribution and wishing some day you and your fellow fear mongers are able to open your heart and feel less fear. Love is so much easier to feel than hate. We’re all the same under our skin.

There should be a civil war against the backbone less government. Small businesses have been closing, rich people leaving the country taking their spending power, unaffordable housing. Flats being built for foreign investors, disgusting rivers. Shoplifting not being punished so prices keep going up. I could go on. So many wrongs to blame the government on, including putting illegals in hotels. Blame the spineless leaders.

So what form will this civil war take?

Will it be like, going round and smashing in anyone’s face that doesn’t look white English?

Can you see the whole country getting behind that?

I think that’s what some people (particularly the foreign owned RW media companies) would like to see happen. But how likely is it?

There was a huge march for Sarah Everard.

TBh though there are plenty of us worried about the situation who are very different than those who enjoy a riot, but because we’re speaking against the script that’s what we’re considered to be, similar to the issues with gender ideology, when we’re told the problem is men/“cis” men and definitely not TW, even though there’s clear evidence that they are a problem towards women. Same old Labour Party, hating women whenever they can.

A vast majority of that happened under the last government.. they were voted out, which is how we do it.

The current Government have 5 years to see if they can fix some of this - if people don’t like what they do, they can vote against them in 4 years

No-one expects everything to be fixed in 12 months … it was short term thinking that got us into the position we are in.

I’m not a huge fan of FPTP, but it’s what we have.

Let's party like it's 1975 !

Social media posts and threads are cheap

There was a movement around Sarah Everard … and that’s been it. Nothing much before or after. I’ve not seen loads of men, decked out in Flags of St George, marching around protesting ageing VAWG.

They are hiding behind being “concerned for women and girls” , because if they were actually concerned they would have been out every weekend.

No, who has time for that?

But in all seriousness I'm someone who's always embraced other cultures. I'm English but have learnt 4 foreign languages and lived abroad myself. I don't begrudge people who come from other places as long as they have the intention of working hard which my experience is most of them do. I love that I can go to London and visit essentially the Latin quarter, the French area, get authentic cuisine from all over the world. It makes me feel incredibly fortunate to live in such a diverse country.

Most countries do have and always have had whole enclaves of people from other countries speaking their own languages and cultures and it's a tale as old as time that certain people with influence take advantage of this, to focus on the 'foreign evil other' to detract from their own misdemeanors and abuse of power or to gain popular support as it's easy to rile up hate again foreigners and minorities. It's a technique as old as humanity itself.

This often involves spinning up false nationalistic narratives about who we are, see "we are a Christian country". Not according to statistics, and that has nothing to do with immigration.

A civil war here would entail thugs looting footlocker.

No.

We are a Christian country

Most people in this country are not Christian, even the white British ones.

If the recent threads on MN are a gauge then especially not the white British ones ...

They cosplay it in an embarrassing way though, no clue as to the basic definition of Christianity, ie love repentance and forgiveness. Fat sack of shits out of it on Stella and other things bleating on about “are values” on their way to smash up the police or high street.

Welcome to England 2025, dreamy isn’t it.

I don't understand how people are not more concerned about the fact white British children will grow up a minority in their own country. We are sleepwalking into becoming a muslim country, and our government isn't listening to valid concerns.

it does feel sort of relentless doesn’t it. It’s all gone a bit Facebook.

First post nailed it.

Op, you said yourself that the real family of immigrants you know is lovely. You are allowing your view of the world to be skewed by extremist propaganda.

You are in an echo chamber where everything seems load and scary but the reality is very different and the majority of British people don’t feel this way which is why there is not going to be a civil war.

Even Trump’s encouraged storming of the capital (where lots of elected politicians feared they would be murdered) ended in shamed faces for the majority of the more ordinary people who joined in.

Maybe read about the previous civil war we had and how awful it was for everyone.

Also, look at Southport and how awful the unnecessary riots there were for the majority British community grieving a tragedy.

Try and pin point what is going on in your own life that is making you feel scared and unhappy and see if you can do any small thing to change that. Join a community group for example and help others.

That’s bollocks though.

What is the ethnic demographic of this country? I dare you to google it

Thank you. I have every respect for Christians like you. I know some Christians who do amazing work with asylum seekers and refugees, and they often say that they're motivated by their faith.

I have no respect for those who shout about protecting Christian values when they don't appear to live by them.

You’re obviously not seeing the tireless work from so many women to appeal the low conviction rates of rape, or the work of women to support victims. The many feminist conferences that discuss this very issue and share info and plans to sort this issue.

You may not be seeing this, but that doesn’t mean it’s not going on. We live in a country that prioritises men and doesn’t believe women. The issue laid out in threads like this is just another example of this, and the lazy and patronising way of shutting down this issue “because white men rape too” just isn’t working any more.

I don't understand how people are not more concerned about the fact Celtic children will grow up a minority in their own country. We are sleepwalking into becoming a Saxon country, and our government isn't listening to valid concerns.

It's pithy responses like this that make Mumsnet worthwhile.

We are sleepwalking into becoming a muslim country,

Can you please explain how that will happen?

I think you might want you look at demographic predictions for 2050, ie when someone born today is 25. You might think it’s a good thing or be indifferent to it, but it most certainly is not bollocks.