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Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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exhaustedandwholly · 04/08/2025 17:47

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

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AnotherGreyMorning · 04/08/2025 20:17

A Christian country. 🙄

ExtraOnions · 04/08/2025 20:17

We had a Civil War in the 1600s … we didn’t like it.

Soontobesingles · 04/08/2025 20:17

Civil war?!

no. I think people will moan behind screens and vote reform.

R0ckandHardPlace · 04/08/2025 20:18

Sunshineandoranges · 04/08/2025 20:02

Surely that’s mad logic. Or do you think southerners speak a different language, eat different food and have a completely different culture to northerners?

What my neighbours eat has zero impact upon me. Nor do their cultural traditions.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/08/2025 20:19

EasternStandard · 04/08/2025 20:13

Corbyn is more a thorn in the side of Labour than anything.

That may be the case. But the fascist-lite faction won't be best pleased either.

MrsFrumble · 04/08/2025 20:21

I’ve heard the UK described as “Post-Christian”, which sounds pretty accurate to me. While British culture and traditions are largely based on Christianity, but the number of actual practicing Christians is tiny.

HarryVanderspeigle · 04/08/2025 20:22

No I don't think there will be a civil war. That would require two or more armed factions to be fighting each other. We don't live in a society where weapons and organisation are widespread. There may be violence by small groups of people against small groups of people, but twas ever thus.

Quellycat · 04/08/2025 20:23

exhaustedandwholly · 04/08/2025 18:01

Yes, I’ve experienced this first hand. There’s a small town not far from where I live that I visit fairly regularly, and the situation there is quite different from what you describe. The area has a large population of Russians, Bulgarians, and Muslims, and there are even shops with signs in the windows that say 'no English.' This isn’t something I’ve picked up from social media it’s what I’ve seen for myself.

So yes, I have experienced it, and honestly, it isn’t a pleasant situation. I just wish everyone could get on!

Edited

Imagine a shop with a sign that said
“English only” or “No Foreign”

shopkeeper would get prison

TakefivedeepBreaths · 04/08/2025 20:23

Nope

Memorable · 04/08/2025 20:23

Hate GB news really needs to be taken off air

Except it is now Britain’s most watched news channel and has overtaken the BBC

Dymaxion · 04/08/2025 20:23

I think that nice British business man Graham King might disagree with your viewpoint @exhaustedandwholly . Looking after migrants has earned him a place in the Sunday Times Rich list and made him a billionaire Grin

MurdoMunro · 04/08/2025 20:26

I too would like to know the name of this town with the ‘No English’ sign. Is it even in England? Is it Wanlockhead? They’re mad fuckers up there, dinnae heed them, it’s the altitude.

MurdoMunro · 04/08/2025 20:27

ExtraOnions · 04/08/2025 20:17

We had a Civil War in the 1600s … we didn’t like it.

🤣

IloveHalifax · 04/08/2025 20:31

Which town has signs saying "no English"??

Hellohelga · 04/08/2025 20:33

I’m so sad Britain is becoming a more racist country. But there won’t be a civil war. Just entrenched views and lots of moaning like we brits do best. Think brexit but ongoing.

Westfacing · 04/08/2025 20:33

IloveHalifax · 04/08/2025 20:31

Which town has signs saying "no English"??

Yes, I was wondering!

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 04/08/2025 20:33

Blackcordoroys · 04/08/2025 20:13

We are a Christian country! Our monarch is head of the church; bishops sit in the House of Lords; prayer is compulsory in schools; we have Christmas and Easter celebrations. Denying this is crackers

And how are immigrants preventing us from keeping these relics of our Christian past, exactly?

If we are going to carry on regarding ourselves as a Christian state in the modern era, then I think we will at the very least need to show a basic adherence to traditional Christian values, no? Or do you just want us to be Christian in name only?

I'm an atheist, but funnily enough, the Christians I know are amongst the most compassionate and welcoming towards asylum seekers. I don't suppose many of them are out throwing stones at hotels or posting disinformation online.

ExtraOnions · 04/08/2025 20:35

IloveHalifax · 04/08/2025 20:31

Which town has signs saying "no English"??

The one that doesn’t allow Christmas only “Winterval”, band the word “Easter” on Easter Eggs, and sends children home for wearing a Union Jack Dress (even though pupils were specifically told not to wear flags)

Westfacing · 04/08/2025 20:37

MurdoMunro · 04/08/2025 20:26

I too would like to know the name of this town with the ‘No English’ sign. Is it even in England? Is it Wanlockhead? They’re mad fuckers up there, dinnae heed them, it’s the altitude.

I had to google Wanlockhead - looks very nice, and had gold mines!

Happyher · 04/08/2025 20:38

Definitely no. A load of yobs acting like knobheads is not the fore runner to civil war. Best to switch off GBnews

Dymaxion · 04/08/2025 20:39

Except it is now Britain’s most watched news channel and has overtaken the BBC

DH gets up mid morning and regales me with their take on the news, unless I am lucky enough to be at work when he gets up, which to be fair I usually am, this is a relatively normal educated man, he had some redeeming features when I met him, and yet the absolute shite he spouts, whilst I am pottering around doing ALL the fucking necessary jobs, it frazzles my very last nerve !

Dymaxion · 04/08/2025 20:40

If either side want him in a civil war, I can drop off and will provide a pack lunch Grin

ExtraOnions · 04/08/2025 20:40

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 04/08/2025 20:33

And how are immigrants preventing us from keeping these relics of our Christian past, exactly?

If we are going to carry on regarding ourselves as a Christian state in the modern era, then I think we will at the very least need to show a basic adherence to traditional Christian values, no? Or do you just want us to be Christian in name only?

I'm an atheist, but funnily enough, the Christians I know are amongst the most compassionate and welcoming towards asylum seekers. I don't suppose many of them are out throwing stones at hotels or posting disinformation online.

Christian teaching is very clear … we should be welcoming refugees

I go to church (unlike a lot of people who seem to be protecting Christianity) … and we are taught compassion, taught to welcome strangers, to support charities that support refugees and asylum seekers. There is nothing Christian about protesting outside a hotel, nothing Christian about making refugees feel unwelcome, nothing Christian in using derogatory terms

I hate people using my religion to hide thier bigotry.. I’ve come to expect it in the USA.. fairly shocking to see it over here

SerendipityJane · 04/08/2025 20:41

A load of yobs acting like knobheads

Who would last 5 seconds against any professional army. Civil war my arse.

swimsong · 04/08/2025 20:42

TaupeMember · 04/08/2025 19:43

She defo isn't speaking about Scottish people putting signs up.

Have you read the thread?

Was joking 🤷

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