Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

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This post wins the thread IMHO

@exhaustedandwholly are you going to come back and tell us the name of the town that has NO ENGLISH signs in the window?

People who are likely to vote Reform like the bluster though don’t they. Easy to understand vitriol, tells it like it is, but no policies on what they would actually do. They just stir people up who are a bit lacking in other ways. Ditto Trump. It’s so easy to do now too.

If Labour don’t improve over immigration there will be a lot of Reform MPs next time but there’s still time for improvement by Lab and Cons. Civil war? Doubt it. More like street violence around immigrant hotels.

Funny how the right wing rags start talking about civil war and national breakdown etc as soon as the country votes for a marginally left wing party.

There is of course fear in immigrants like me that there are actual racist feeling empowered. That's why I can never bring myself to support Reform. Not all their supporters are racist but all racists support them. However, I don't believe OP is racist. All her points are what I worry about too. The UK I moved to is slowly eroded.
And not every Brit who are in some so called right wing parties are racist.
I worked with a UKIP representative who sat across me, he was actually a nice enough guy. And he never treated me differently.

Sometimes I find the lefties are way more rude treating me like I am below them, that their views are more legitimate than mine ironically because I'm foreign and they are tyring to save me.

Posts like this are fuelling hate and hysteria. So if there is, you’ve played your part. Get off social media and focus on doing something positive for your community instead of trying to whip up more hatred.

I don’t think comparing mass immigration to invasion is helping your cause really.

Interestingly only 40k Romans invaded, thats 2-3 weeks of average current net immigration.

Serious question, what other version of Christianity is there? Christ was all about loving each other, wan't he?

Surely that’s mad logic. Or do you think southerners speak a different language, eat different food and have a completely different culture to northerners?

No I don't believe there will be a civil war - although GB News and Reform are doing their best to foment unrest and hatred.

I'm sure there's a very good reason why those shops say no English. Racial abuse people going in filming etc. I live in a town of 65k the ethnic minority is tiny like 3% of the population. The UK would be very bland and boring without immigrants. Brits did the same after WW2. Emigrated to Australia Canada and the US. So the UK invited people over. A lot came from Ireland and settled in Liverpool which is why there's so many Catholics in Liverpool. Some took over what were fish and chip shops as Asian takeaways which are popular here.

What annoys me is all these protests. Their protesting about the cost to the taxpayer. Well it's going to cost a lot more to house them in the hotels now they have had to up the security to stop right wing half wits going in and filming. It will be costing a lot in police resources while their having to deal with these thugs. Right now I'm embarrassed to be British the behaviour of some people. We don't know what their escaping from. Anyone that works with refugees will tell you the majority aren't a threat.

Civil war is not quite the right term. Civil disruption is more accurate.

Completely agree with you OP.
We have a difficult situation brewing where our MPs dare not upset Muslim communities for fear of losing their block vote and this affects decision-making.

@Sunshineandoranges I think you have missed the point! It’s that people accept some newcomers but not others. People like them - yes. From 3rd world countries or the wrong religion, no.

Hate GB news really needs to be taken off air. Most of what they report on are negative towards ethnic minorities. They throw in the odd news report about a crime committed by a white British person to make out their not rascist. They are rascist.

Certainly not.
There has only ever been one civil war in England!

You need to find a way to switch off or at least filter your triggers, OP, and those who feel like this. You really aren't helping yourselves.

@AlwaysBelieveTheEx
i do agree with some of what you say however the difference is I don’t often see riots kicking off as a result of a rape committed by a home grown chap.

It’s not trying to whip up hatred. It’s asking people like you to accept that some people feel threatened if they are living in an area that has a sudden influx of people from different cultures. So by being so dismissive of their views you alienate that group. This does not help to create a more stable society. It can send those people to parties like Reform.

No. As a general answer, because most people who might fantasise about it from behind their keyboards couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

What does concern me is the rise of far right Christian nationalism being imported from the US, which has values so far divorced from anything traditionally viewed as Christian it makes your head spin.

Aside from the immigration issue, it's scope includes going after women's rights and feeding the capitalist and tech machine with no regard for how it will impact or affect the plebs, which is a group that encompasses anyone without money, and ergo, little in the way of power.

There are people in power who truly believe that they are doing "God's work" Old Testament style, and will point out that Jesus said something about coming with a sword to justify it. And then there are those who may not believe, but will jump on the gravy train due to the amount of money sloshing around in Evangelical bank accounts. Some of them are gagging for faith wars, and think Jesus is popping back to supervise everything written in Revelations which is beginning to look like the epitome of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

We may think we live in rational and secular times, but while most of us are doing Christmas for nice pyjamas and fancy hot chocolate, and eating our bodyweight in Lindt rabbits, there are people out there gagging for a return to Puritanical times for the plebs, while they enjoy their "God given" riches, pitting various "demonised" groups against each other in a blatantly display of late stage capitalism bread and circuses.

Anyone with any sense should just refuse to play their games.

Yes, and Corbyn is back with his new party which will have riled them.

Just a response to a few comments I've noticed I am not sure which class I am actually but I am in a position to view myself as working class and there are many of us who did not vote for that little toad

We are a Christian country! Our monarch is head of the church; bishops sit in the House of Lords; prayer is compulsory in schools; we have Christmas and Easter celebrations. Denying this is crackers

I can’t see there being a civil war, but we’ll see a massive increase in street level violence and sectarian politics over the next few years.

Corbyn is more a thorn in the side of Labour than anything.

Anecdotally my sister has lived in Dubai for 11 years, married to an Arab and speaks no more Arabic than hello, goodbye, please and thank you.