AIBU to not understand why people will vote Reform when Brexit is the reason for the migrant boats.

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We did not have a boat problem before Brexit due to the rules/agreements, so why do people want to vote for the man who had a big part in causing this and his company party?

What a load of utter bollocks

The whole of Europe had an issue with undocumented migration. Britain is seen as an attractive end have for several reasons. Firstly language, secondly families and finally the information spread amongst those migrating that they will have a good prosperous life here.

We need to crack down. We need to change the educational system, work culture, public services culture to ensuring that everyone who lives here can speak a decent standard of English, understands, agrees with and practices British values. That they are educated in and follow British culture and the local culture. If you chose to live here, all cultures of your home country which don’t align with British values etc should go. Eg, don’t think it’s ok to slaughter animals in your back yard in horrific ways. Don’t criticise British traditions etc treat women equally to men. I would also like to see the banning of all religious clothing except for a small piece of jewellery.

We need to make it clear anyone coming here can’t just try and change communities in this country. This should make this country less appealing

If people are undocumented they should not be allowed to freely mix in society until they have proved who they are, that they understand and abide by British rules and customs.

We should have detention centres off shore to house undocumented migrants - we have used nissen huts previously. There is no reason to not use them again rather than hotels.

Any problems they are immediately deported - for the rest of the lives.

We need to make the UK as unattractive as possible to migrants we don’t want.

The only way to stop this is to make migrants not want to come here. If we breach any agreements then we withdraw from that agreement.

Due to changing demographics the voting system needs a major overhaul to proportional representation rather than keeping large numbers of MPs voted for in cities.

God yes it would never stop

We need a 5 year freeze on all migration

The universities wouldn't go bust but the govt subsidies to them would skyrocket (so taxpayers pay in the end) & their available places would hugely become fewer. A lot of families would be split up. A lot of private schools would suffer because of the foreign 6th formers they lost (like Kemi Badenbach). I'm guessing PP would allow people in like child Boris Johnson to attend Eton, even though his family lived in Belgium... or would someone like him count as a migrant too? If not, why not?

and get some of the millions of young people into work.

What... some kind of conscription for everyone signed off with disability?

If Brexit was the reason then the “boat people” would be from EU countries.

Immigration is an issue in EU countries too eg Germany so this is definitely something that isn’t the fault of Brexit.

The vast majority of Reform voters will be boomers and Gen X, because we still possess common sense 😊
The younger the generation the woker they get. No teenagers will be voting reform, at least I don’t think so.

professional middle class

The issues that face these areas as opposed to more economically vulnerable areas account for a lot of differernces between attitudes in these groups.

I don't want to vote reform nor do I want Farage as PM.
Labour have been shockingly useless, Tories the samr before
Farage is the only one actually prepared to deal with this crisis... so he deserves a shot.

There really isn't any reason that reducing immigration needs to mean preventing any people on a temporary basis, like students, or those working for an office of an international company.

Personally I think when a huge number of the students propping up universities are international, there mihgt be a lack of balance. But the possibility of international study is important for universities in general. But those are temporary people.

And they could also give those people an advantage later if they do apply for permanent resident spots that are available - it seems sensible if they have already shown they can integrate and have a high standard of English that they might have an advantage from that.

That's not the same as it being a standard way to become a permanent resident, people should not come to school expecting that is a sure thing.

They've tried that in America, it hasn't stopped Trump doing what he was elected to do.

Is there evidence of this? I mean London was overwhelmingly Remain but also has a huge immigrant population.

I dislike Trump very much as a person and jan6th. But policy wise he wasn't all too bad.

Oh course Brexit is the reason for the huge rise in small boats. Fucking daft to pretend otherwise.

It won't as it's illegal.

Im a rejoiner but not sure how Brexit was or is the cause of migration by boat

Or are you saying OP Brexit is the cause of increased numbers of people seeking asylum? Which is it.

Prior to the trend for boat arrivals people tended to come in trucks but things were tightened up so that doesnt happen so much now.

Brexit isnt the cause of increased people seeking asylum though. How would it be?

No plenty of posts showing why you’re not correct.

Great.

Now, here's the Tories admitting that half of the small boats could've been returned under the Dublin regulations but that they were too stupid to realize at the time:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-brexit-small-boats-asylum-philp-b2751177.html

Read the posts. If you still believe that which country in the EU is using the Dublin Agreement to resolve migration issues?

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Because Brexiteers and Reform voters aren't logical and reasoned thinkers - and quite frankly, aren't very bright.

I'm not sure what the connection is you are making, people who aren't citizens weren't voting for the most part, and in any case you can hardly say London isn't overall a wealthy area of the country. Or are you saying immigrants are never part of the pmc?

It's certainly not the only thing that motivated people, but well off urban professional voters who live in fairly well off neighbourhoods do tend to be less affected by street crime than people in less well off neighbourhoods.

What is illegal?

If you click on "show quote history" you can follow the conversation.

You forgot climate change. Large parts of the middle east are becoming uninhabitable. But people don't want to "believe" in climate change despite the manifest evidence.

Added bonus.

Thing is Labour are using the most ineffectual process for stemming the boats. By saying they'll smash the gangs arranging these crossings. A pathetic way to be effective. If we get rid of one gang, another will take its place. There'll be literally hundreds of people queuing to fill the gap left by the gangs arrested. I thought the tories were useless but Labour are making them look good.