I couldn’t sleep last night, worrying about a Reform government

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I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

They are currently top of 80 polls.

Not very likely many people are going to do this when immigration is the number 1 concern amongst the electorate currently

They are ideologically driven and don’t care about collateral damage.

Every government of every colour is the same. That’s exactly what austerity was.

Reporting it doesn't remove the sentiment . You were on 1 of the threads, didn't see you challenging it at the time.

What if their spouse is British? Do they deserve to live here then? Is a British person allowed a foreign partner in your eyes?

I don’t think you understand how electoral math works.

Putting up a graph without understanding the statistics is not helpful.

In 2024, reform came second in 98 seats. Thats right. A party that has barely existed for the previous few years came runner up in ps many seats. Reform won more votes than the lib dems.

They need a small swing in over a hundred seats to win them. And if Fuit and Nut split enough of Labour’s vote with their loony toons party, then a Reform win becomes a certainty.

Probably because I didn’t see it. It’s easy to miss a post on a long thread. I don’t challenge anyway; I report. I’m sorry I missed it and failed to report it.

Have you not seen the MRP polls which gives Reform majority across all the polling platforms and a governing majority in some of them too?

Are we saying that this spouse is vegetable? Or a human being.

If it’s a human being, than surely they have the capacity to work. And if they are a net contributor, then why not. What we don’t need is net taker immigration through spouse visas.

You're better off reading analysis on how the FPTP tips in Reform’s favour when they start polling over 30% or thereabouts.

The vitriol on SM levelled against children impacted by the VAT policy, by Labour supporters, has been vile. Us and our children have been called every name under the sun all by people who then post about "be kind" and "rabid rascist" Reform voters. They have 100% been one of the deciding factors in me loathing Labour ( 1 of the factors, not the only one).

The people who claim to hold moral highground over the rest of us are quite happy tearing down and insulting children in the most vile way including hoping that our children die!!

You can find a good, up to date collation of polls and MRP polls together here.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

I wrote "if only there was so much outrage about the racism on this site". Are you saying you have never seen a racist post on MN?

No, I don't think it is racist to want the boat crossings to end. No-one in their right mind would want them to continue.

I wouldn’t bother really, people can’t see it for various reasons.

@Catsandcheese Reform are a one trick pony, if people want to support them and the clowns manage to form a government, a year in they will all be like I am soooooo disappointed in this shit show, they’ve wrecked the economy and omg how many small boats have arrived today!

That would be fine if it were true (well, not fine exactly but at least self correcting). But in reality most people are not that rational or flexible and don't tend to evaluate things that way. Once they're invested in an ideology or solution it's easier for them to believe excuses and blame God knows what outside influences for its continued failure, than to seriously consider they may have been wrong. Just look at Brexit, or Trump (or, for political balance, how long it took western communists in the 1960s and 70s to acknowledge the failure of the USSR).

If Reform come into government and royally fuck everything up it will be the fault of the woke left. And immigrants.

I agree that it’s abhorrent. Be fair though, your loathing of Labour goes back long before the last election.

But your response is literally an example of my point- the thread, as I am sure it was intended to do, has become about being with us or against us. I am responding to the thread title which was about having nightmares about a Reform government. My response- you are right to have such nightmares, it will be a disaster! I would not want to align myself with populism and I think it is very dangerous. Reform target the underprivileged vote, what are they actually going to do about poverty for example, which has reached Dickensian levels of inequality. People should look at the data, the policies(do the have any) before they vote for this one policy (immigration) party!

So what?

No it doesn't. The election prior to 2024 I voted Labour and always had. This version of Labour has permanently turned me away from them.
I realised I always voted Labour because that's why my parents did so I did it automatically. I no longer align with Labour.

Initially when Reform started to gain ground I would tell my kids how I remembered the SDP (which I supported) in the eighties and how the same thing would happen to Reform.

Now I think I was wrong. I've never seen such disenchantment with both main parties simultaneously. I couldn't vote for Farage but many people will and it won't be because they're rabid racists either.

I thought there was no way Trump would be re-elected either, I was wrong there too!

I grew up in a Labour household, under Thatcher in a northern town. The amount of trust capital that Labour had to burn through to have me switch to Conservatives was phenomenal.

But you know when a party tells you that you are a bigot for knowing the nature of your own sex is routed exclusively in biology that they are capable of lying and gaslighting without any shame of hypocrisy. And now they are telling you that they can grow the economy by hobbling businesses, that they'll curb illegal immigration as the open the doors wider, that they'll start a house building extravaganza...and then bield fewer than in covid.

Once you can get people to repeat the absurd, they'll swallow fucking anything.

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So I'm going to say exactly the same thing about Farage as I said about Johnson.

The fact that people feel insulted by the "metropolitan liberal elites" and alienated from a Labour party dominated by them is absolutely understandable (although I would dispute the idea that the abuse and insult is all, or even mostly, one way).

The fact that they think Farage is the answer to this, because he's really got their their back, speaks their language and is going to raise them up at the expense of those elites, is absolutely fucking batshit insane. It's a tragic combination of gullability, desperation and lack of critical thinking.

You can be insulted by that if you want. It's the truth.

And you perfectly demonstrate it. The name calling and belittling.
Thank you.

That is really interesting.

So you supported Corbyn. You must have been aware of his policies and aligned with them to do so?

You are an intelligent person, I can't believe you just voted for Corbyn-era Labour automatically with no thought at all. Especially given the high profile savaging of him and his policies in the media at the time.

But now you will vote Reform to keep a far more right wing version of Labour out?