I couldn’t sleep last night, worrying about a Reform government

[Cluborange666]

I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

I'm not retaliating. I'm just highlighting my observation.

Well PR does give strange results re votes cast/MP

We shall have to wait and see whether the majority of the UK are reform voters so that's reasonable.

Nuthatch said that was the motivation. 🤷‍♀️

Meh maybe people have had enough with the bot and not in good faith accusations trying to drive anyone off if they’re not Labour enough.

And they might focus on reducing the size of the state and getting our tax bills down. It isn't just small boats that need to change.

Labour have borrowed against further growth and then taken actions to prevent it happening. It's like taking a payday loan and then quitting your job so the payday doesn't come. People aren't seeing this because they like the jam today.

Well no this doesn’t apply when in power.

No party would run on overturning it though.

It is not racist to think that the number of people coming this country needs to be curved.

I wish someone would ask Starmer what happened to ”smashing the gangs”

The only economic policies so far floated by Reform have been promoting populist handouts. I can’t see that their angry voter base would swallow prudent public spending cutbacks.

This is an indication of Reform’s fiscal policy. It’s the absolute definition of jam today.

https://ifs.org.uk/news/response-mornings-reform-uk-policy-announcements

They'd have to get an absolute landslide to go from four seats to over 300.

Why is it OK for right wingers to call the left all sorts of derogatory names, dismiss their genuine concerns, and completely ignore facts, evidence and reality but not for anyone else to do the same?

I must admit like PP's way back in the thread I'm missing Rishi, even if I didn't agree with Eat out and spread it about. At least he seemed to know what he was talking about.

Great speaker on Times radio rn on liberal intellectualism and the real fury and rage people are feeling on migration. This can be seen in other EU countries. Look at Greece rn and others flare up.

Eventually it’ll be through votes when an electoral system isn’t inhibiting enough.

I've voted YABU, but only because I think your worrying is excessive and not healthy.
I agree with you that Reform would be a nightmare if they got in (to put it mildly) but there's no point in worrying about it so much. Sounds simple, but turn off the news, step away from screens for a while and try and engage in getting out into nature /outside more to try and clear your head a bit.

Ah, but his wife is very rich. So therefore he was bad, bad, bad. And he was up to all sorts of corrupt shenanigans. According to Labour. 🙄

People go on about the media and Labour but they did a far bigger number on Sunak. A pity as his policies were better than Labour’s.

Of course the blind belief in Starmer, smash the gangs and anti growth policy was part of it.

Have you read their policy document? They would like unemployment benefit to those who don't take up jobs they could do, tighten sickness benefits, and incentive businesses to run apprenticeships for the long term unemployed. The majority of the plans read like what the conservatives would have done before they turned into labour.

I'm not being funny but welcome to Mumsnet, "it was ever thus", it has never been a case of walking like a cat around hot porridge, that was for the other site!

https://www.iod.com/news/uk-economy/iod-press-release-economic-confidence-plummets-to-all-time-low/

Labour killing business

I haven't done anything like this. And. if others are, and I rarely see it, then it isn't serving only to push people to vote for the people they disagree with the most. Reform are on course to get a majority, something needs to change but it won't be achieved with sanctimonious finger wagging and insults

That is a real life version of the traditional difference in political views through isn't it? Labour voters expect "Nanny" to sort out their lives, Conservative voters expect the state to stay out of what they do as much as possible.

You are right, you aren't being funny. And I have been here long enough to know there was a time when people would play the ball and not the woman, even in political discussions.

Yes, I have. It patently avoids anything about bringing down the welfare bill or state pension reform.

Many Reform target areas have high numbers of benefit claimants and state pension dependents. Cutting taxes without cutting social expenditure is a recipe for disaster.

I’ve been here for years and I don’t remember that. There’s been rudeness and name calling for as long as I can remember but it’s next level now. I personally won’t tolerate it and have no hesitation in reporting offensive posts regardless of their source. It would soon stop if it was a policy adopted more widely.