I couldn’t sleep last night, worrying about a Reform government

[Cluborange666]

I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

What was your post to @LevoitPotato? Just mn version of Twitter?

Yes, I also think Labour supporters are significant in the Labour party's lack of support.

Rolling out insults in response to genuine concerns. Or making lawyer like answers which are technically correct - illegal immigrants don't get benefits - to distract from the burden on the state from the 25,000 new illegal arrivals so far this year - is the kind of arrogance that people find infuriating. Othering voters of other parties by suggesting that they are a different kind of lesser people - is a tactic boringly familiar to Conservative voters.

But yes, this superiority complex is pushing people to Reform. I'm sure Nigel is very grateful.

Prisoners are housed and fed, too, would you say that they "get benefits"?

I absolutely can and have challenged it where I have seen it. Although I don't go on the CITME section much. The anti-semetism seems to be mainly concentrated there rather than on AIBU etc.

Spot on. No party can stop asylum seekers. It’s just not possible.

The political damage is done by bogus promises being exposed. The Tories suffered from that, Labour exploited it and is now in deep shit itself because of its “smash the gangs” bullshit.

Reform would suffer the most if it got into power because it’s a one-trick pony party. And its single trick is a barefaced lie.

I would say the taxpayer funds this and the asylum process. People mean it’s at a cost. So the it’s only £7 response (not sure how much) doesn’t really stop the view it’s a high cost.

It can be done as other countries have done it. I’m not sure which EU country will get there first, or UK, but the pressure will increase.

Exactly.

If Farage gets in, one of two things will happen:

Reform will find a way to to stop the boats (unlikely). Ordinary people will find their lives are not improved one jot by the boats stopping. They will realise they have been sold a pig in a poke.

Reform don't stop the boats. Again, pig in a poke.

...if people walked into prisons each day to be housed and fed and given a stipend then the housing and the food would be a benefit of walking in to a prison. The cost to the state of that willingness is picked up by the taxpayer - some of whom are struggling to feed and house themselves.

It seems some pps can be as offensive as they like. Then they report when it is reciprocated.

Just because posters don't agree with you it doesn't mean they are not valid posters, you can AS all you like to try to find Bots, Tory HQ(that's an old one), new posters, but the majority will be perfectly normal posters, just not labour supporters.

And yet Keir said that he would smash the gangs with an elite task force and they would reduce illegal migration and made it part of his manifesto and yet we have seen the highest number of small boat migrants in history.

Bizarre isn’t it.

Yes and just because you don’t like what some posters say (when relating a personal experience) doesn’t mean they are making it up (Pandora)

Most posters are valid.

But very occasionally one will pop up that is so obviously not in good faith. Yes I should keep my big gob shut when that happens and will do so in future.

You don’t know that about @LevoitPotatoso better off not implying it’s so obviously not in good faith.

Then report offensive posts and don’t reciprocate. It’s not difficult.

I don't take it upon myself to act as thread police. Others do. Complete with childish gifs and emojis.

No, I don't have an itchy report finger. I prefer posts to stand. But the entitlement to insult people while reporting those who do the same is characteristic of Labour supporters on MN.

Yeah it’s a full time job for some

Same and agree.

Reform won't "stop the boats" because if they did they'd have nothing left and the party would be finished.

So, if Keir delivered what he promised in his manifesto and could smash the gangs, there'd be no reform party?

Then the answer is not to retaliate, isn’t it? The people who report personal attacks are simply abiding by the site guidelines. Your posts wouldn’t be reported and deleted if you did the same.

Good God. If only there was so much outrage about the racism on this site as there has been to my (checks notes) childish posts.

Carry on putting the boot in. I really don't care.

Eta: my slightly silly posts from last night are still there. None of them were offensive or personal attacks. They were just silly. Do report them if you disagree.