I couldn’t sleep last night, worrying about a Reform government

[Cluborange666]

I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

Oh no!

Some crappy Tories allowed in fuckwit, useless and self-serving Labour. And then another lot come along collecting under the banner of ‘none of the above’. Super. 🙄

Please, Kemi, please, I beg you, reassemble a proper Tory party. Otherwise we’re really stuffed.

Just imagine another five years under Starmer, this appallingly ambitious but cowardly and talentless little shit… 💩

Or five years under Monsignor Farage, the Cardinal of Grift.

😱

How original. Sneering contempt for anyone who doesn’t love Labour.

Right of centre?? Are you quite well? What is remotely close to the centre about reform? And if reform are right of centre then what do you class as far right and how do reform differ from them?

Support reform all you like, but I have no idea why you laughed at OP, because to suggest they are anywhere near the centre is even more hilarious than anything OP said and suggests you’re not very politically aware. I laughed out loud at the thought that someone thinks this 😂

If you are seriously worried you will lose your job, look for another. But I don't see the migrants stopping any time.

Yes, free speech does mean people are free to have all kinds of opinions, even nasty ones.

It does not mean they are allowed to tell defamatory lies about individuals.

For example, I am allowed to have the idea that all men secretly hate women and would like to enslave them, and I am allowed to express this view publicly, even try and convince other people about it.

I'm not allowed to say that Kier Starmer keeps sex slaves in his basement, or even that he would like to keep sex slaves in his basement.

That's the law and it really isn't that complicated.

Nobody said NF was a paedophile, just that he is an enabler if he opposes the bill that intends to keep kids safe from such content on the basis that it undermines free speech, which is the reason he gave for opposing it.

I mean, given that he closely aligns himself with the likes of Trump, he clearly has no problem with paedos and rapists, even if he says the opposite publicly and acts as if he gives a shit about women and girl’s safety.

Like I said above, I’m not sure what his agenda is, but it’s probably closer to wanting to influence children while they are most impressionable. I’m not surprised he got called out for opposing for the reason he gave, though!

Do you check all posters to see how much they post. Some people name change a lot. It must take ages to go through threads AS everyone you don't recognise

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to benefits.

They only become entitled to benefits if and when they are granted refugee status.

Unlike Labour protecting Dan Norris ie child sexual predator you mean?

Labour have paedophiles in their ranks ie Dan Norris and sexual assaultera Gwynoro Jones. They are up to their eyeballs in the grooming scandals.

I'm no Starmer fan, but I'd need a sedative if I had to sit next to the bouffanted orange twat.

What you are saying amounts to a sleight of hand. Most illegal small boat migrants apply for temporary asylum, they are then housed and fed and given a stipend by the state. That seems like a benefit to me - even if that isn't 'benefits' though some evasive specificity.

And I think that that's probably for the best. But I'm sick to death of the lying about it.

They get state funding for everything from day 1, even for things that those already here cannot get. So they are entitled from day. These get all of those things under a different pretense. It is outright gaslighting to suggest otherwise. You can

That post is very Labour mn. An AS, sneering and gif.

I don’t think some get how disliked their party is and can’t understand posts not pro Labour.

Labour councils facilitated the grooming gangs. Labour Party stands for paedos.

Exactly and yet all the Labour supporters constantly accuse Farage of it!

There’s a left-of-centre ‘progressive’ mindset that they are better and more caring than people who disagree with them. They drink the Kool-Aid and convince themselves of this tosh.

Doesn’t matter what the issue is - could be trans rights, or net zero, or the NHS, or trade union rights, or Brexit, whatever. If you think differently to them about any of these things you’re a bad person, even a fascist.

In fairness, I think the left genuinely believes this. It’s mass delusion, not usually just affectation.

I think it's really tough on young people now.

I'm a boomer, and left school in the early 70s. And I lived in London, so had the easiest time of it. You could walk out of a job, take a few weeks off and walk back into another, you got a grant and fees paid if you went to uni, cheap rented properties were plentiful, house prices were low relative to wages (I bought my first house at 26, with 100% mortgage that was 3 x my salary; to buy that house on the same basis now you'd have be earning more than £125k). You could train to be a nurse or a town planner while working, now you have to get a degree.

It seems like a golden age now, and it's really sad that kids leaving school don't have the same opportunities as we did.

Agree with this. Yet they remain completely unaware of how intolerant they are. The irony.

It seems to have been encouraged on mn over last few years. Mockery, AS, gif, sneering, constant watching if people don’t like Starmer and Labour enough. It’s enough to put you off Labour completely that’s for sure.

And I agree on the ‘caring’ part, it’s self interest.

And dont forget their gambling money issued.

An unsuprising 2/3 rds think YABU, that us because Mumsnet as a whole is a very right wing forum.

We WILL end up with a Tory/ Reform coalition at the next G.E. , and Nigel Farage - a lazy, racist, grifting shit stirrer and friend of the orange paedo in the U.S. - Will become our Prime Minister.

If you a Reform voter, the inevitable destruction of this country is on you. You've never given this Labour Government a chance.

Oh, and if you are a Reform voter/supporter, yes you are a racist. Admit it and own it. The only 'policy' they have is STOP THE BOATS, with no idea of how to do it.

The only abuse I've experienced is from the Labour posters on here. The sneering assumption of intellectual superiority mirrors that of Starmer et al.
The metropolitan liberal elites who are rich enough not to be impacted by Starmer's policies yet have the nerve to dictate how others should think/feel/say.
That's why they are universally hated and why Reform has been given a foothold in traditional Labour strongholds eg Durham.

People are working harder than ever to otherwise less to show for it. Meanwhile, the MSM reports on immigration rising and benefits increasing at a higher rate than wages. It’s easy to see why people want change.

I don’t think there’s any point being worried about a Reform government. It can’t get much worse than it already is.