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I couldn’t sleep last night, worrying about a Reform government

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Cluborange666 · 01/08/2025 09:15

I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

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abracadabra1980 · 01/08/2025 17:21

Brendahollowayreconsider · 01/08/2025 17:13

Reform no different to the BNP.
Their support for the most part are rabid racist fool's.

How rude. Their suppport is from a very wide demographic where I live including many who would be considered an ABC1 demographic. I have a small business and the customers are wide and varied in their backgrounds - most just want closed borders. That is not racist, it’s common sense.

dottiehens · 01/08/2025 17:22

Cluborange666 · 01/08/2025 09:15

I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

What about Corbyn? Does not him give you nightmares? Or if he is ok for you? Because he will also wreck your life and the economy if he ever gets in.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 17:22

Voting intention for reform has doubled in over a year, did those people become rabid racists in that time? Was it Starmer's Island of Strangers speech?

Brendahollowayreconsider · 01/08/2025 17:23

abracadabra1980 · 01/08/2025 17:21

How rude. Their suppport is from a very wide demographic where I live including many who would be considered an ABC1 demographic. I have a small business and the customers are wide and varied in their backgrounds - most just want closed borders. That is not racist, it’s common sense.

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Oh sorry rabid racist fool's that play golf 👍🤣🤣

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 17:25

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 17:22

Voting intention for reform has doubled in over a year, did those people become rabid racists in that time? Was it Starmer's Island of Strangers speech?

Whatever he’s doing it’s working for Reform not Labour.

dottiehens · 01/08/2025 17:30

Radioundermypillow · 01/08/2025 16:26

What is British?

If you need to ask. 🙄

dogcatkitten · 01/08/2025 17:35

Worry about it when we are close to an election, things may be radically different by then. You may have to worry about Corbyn instead! No point worrying now.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 17:36

There have been a few surges in Reform's popularity since the g.e, first around the WFA, then while Labour was denying the need for a grooming gang enquiry when they really made hay, after their success in the local elections and then again when Kendal was trying to push through disability reforms.

Reform is still a protest vote but Labour is fuelling their numbers.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 17:40

Labour clawed back some of that popularity when Starmer was trying to mobilise a European response to Russia and after the Island of Strangers speech.

Shedmistress · 01/08/2025 17:45

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 16:53

I have no idea. But then I'm a Tory voter married to an immigrant before you get ahead of yourself. And I'm not C2 or DE.

What do you mean 'get ahead of myself'?

Why do I care about your identity or who you are married to?

I am just responding to words on a screen.

OldMcDonaldHadABigMac · 01/08/2025 17:45

Catsandcheese · 01/08/2025 09:34

I am afraid if you really think that 25000 migrants arriving in boats is the biggest problem the UK has right now, you can’t be helped.

But they didn't say that migrants are the biggest problem that we have at the moment? It's one of the issues. One of the many issues that we have to deal with.

twistyizzy · 01/08/2025 17:47

Brendahollowayreconsider · 01/08/2025 17:13

Reform no different to the BNP.
Their support for the most part are rabid racist fool's.

And that's the winning comment to highlight why Labour drive people to Reform 👏👏👏
Despite Goldenbear claiming they could spot a Reform voter by sight, Reform voters are no more 1 homogenous group than Labour voters.
Many, like myself, will vote Reform as the only way of ousting Labour in their constituency.

But yeh keep on pushing more voters towards Reform by calling them rabid rascists!

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 17:53

twistyizzy · 01/08/2025 17:47

And that's the winning comment to highlight why Labour drive people to Reform 👏👏👏
Despite Goldenbear claiming they could spot a Reform voter by sight, Reform voters are no more 1 homogenous group than Labour voters.
Many, like myself, will vote Reform as the only way of ousting Labour in their constituency.

But yeh keep on pushing more voters towards Reform by calling them rabid rascists!

Many, like myself, will vote Reform as the only way of ousting Labour in their constituency

Is that your only reason for voting Reform, to oust Labour? Or do you genuinely think the UK will be better off under Reform than under any other party?

For example, if the Tories get their act together between now and 2029, would you vote for them instead?

twistyizzy · 01/08/2025 17:54

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 17:53

Many, like myself, will vote Reform as the only way of ousting Labour in their constituency

Is that your only reason for voting Reform, to oust Labour? Or do you genuinely think the UK will be better off under Reform than under any other party?

For example, if the Tories get their act together between now and 2029, would you vote for them instead?

Yes I would vote Tory, that's naturally where I now lie politically, but they have no chance here. I want Labour out so I will vote Reform.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 17:55

Shedmistress · 01/08/2025 17:45

What do you mean 'get ahead of myself'?

Why do I care about your identity or who you are married to?

I am just responding to words on a screen.

Well, go on then. Why is my distance to and knowledge of migrant hotels relevant to anything I've said?

NorthXNorthWest · 01/08/2025 18:07

Jennps · 01/08/2025 14:43

Honestly it’s sad and entertaining in equal measure to watch all the frothing about the Reform surge. It need never have come to this. But the those supporting Tory and Labour corruption and incompetence have caused this.

Ballooning public spending, benefits, freebies and handouts since 1997.

Mass immigration and open borders to the extent that we have had higher immigration since 1997 than the entire period before that since records began. Imagine that. How was that not going to cause problems.

Debt to GDP ration over 100%

Borrowing and printing trillions to pay for public sector and welfare largesse.

Economic vandalism and active destruction of our largest publicly owned companies and businesses. London Stock Exchange is avoided by companies looking to list, like the plague. Oil sector destroyed with punitive taxation. Even Astra Zeneca is leaving the UK and headed to the US.

Vandalism to public trust in institutions and extreme batshittery, apparently labelled as progressive values. Get done for a non crime hate incident if you post something perfectly legal on social media. A man says he is a woman, you object to calling him a ‘her’ and sharing the changing room, and you get cancelled, lose your job.

There is so much more. Can Reform fix it. Probably not. Could they make it worse than Labour and Tories. Likely not.

There is a lot they can do to make it worse. The NHS for one, working from home for another.

Catsandcheese · 01/08/2025 18:16

OldMcDonaldHadABigMac · 01/08/2025 17:45

But they didn't say that migrants are the biggest problem that we have at the moment? It's one of the issues. One of the many issues that we have to deal with.

It’s all Farage talks about

Jennps · 01/08/2025 18:27

twistyizzy · 01/08/2025 17:47

And that's the winning comment to highlight why Labour drive people to Reform 👏👏👏
Despite Goldenbear claiming they could spot a Reform voter by sight, Reform voters are no more 1 homogenous group than Labour voters.
Many, like myself, will vote Reform as the only way of ousting Labour in their constituency.

But yeh keep on pushing more voters towards Reform by calling them rabid rascists!

These people never learn. Brexit taught them absolutely nothing. And then they squeal when the electorate gives them the result they don’t like.

Jennps · 01/08/2025 18:29

NorthXNorthWest · 01/08/2025 18:07

There is a lot they can do to make it worse. The NHS for one, working from home for another.

What about the NHS?

And what about working from home? The country is literally headed towards an IMF bailout at current rate, and you are talking about work from home. Oh dear, how did we get here.

Catsandcheese · 01/08/2025 18:29

Reform are a one trick pony, if people want to support them and the clowns manage to form a government, a year in they will all be like I am soooooo disappointed in this shit show, they’ve wrecked the economy and omg how many small boats have arrived today!
In a town near where I live a number of Afghan people have been housed, paid for by the MOD, and you’d think the world had ended
The local FB page has had false reports of local girls being raped, and one local councillor is agitating everybody into a frenzy. The police and the council have stepped in to say the reports are false and to explain that the people have a legal right to remain, but oh no the townsfolk with their pitchforks will not be satisfied until they have been sent back to where they came from.
iIt’s an absolute disgrace and a direct result of Farage, Tommy Robinson and the Daily Mail etc.

genesis92 · 01/08/2025 18:35

😂😂😂

Im sorry, but that is hilarious. You literally couldn’t sleep because you’re worried about a right of centre government getting elected in a few years?!

Some people really need to get a grip. You don’t even know they are going to destroy the economy, or even do a terrible job? You want them to though, clearly.

If certain problems in the country aren’t sorted, and Labour certainly won’t then what do you suggest? You have no idea what an actual “far right” party could look like, because Reform certainly isn’t that.

Why is this country full of so many shivering pansies these days.

NorthXNorthWest · 01/08/2025 18:58

Jennps · 01/08/2025 18:29

What about the NHS?

And what about working from home? The country is literally headed towards an IMF bailout at current rate, and you are talking about work from home. Oh dear, how did we get here.

Stop being obtuse. Hybrid working helps a lot of people especially women work. Healthcare has no place on the free market.

Goldenbear · 01/08/2025 19:02

genesis92 · 01/08/2025 18:35

😂😂😂

Im sorry, but that is hilarious. You literally couldn’t sleep because you’re worried about a right of centre government getting elected in a few years?!

Some people really need to get a grip. You don’t even know they are going to destroy the economy, or even do a terrible job? You want them to though, clearly.

If certain problems in the country aren’t sorted, and Labour certainly won’t then what do you suggest? You have no idea what an actual “far right” party could look like, because Reform certainly isn’t that.

Why is this country full of so many shivering pansies these days.

"right of centre government" Reform?? Nearly choked on my lentils then!

luckylavender · 01/08/2025 19:11

Zov · 01/08/2025 09:21

You couldn't sleep for worrying about it? Really? I don't like Reform, and think they're dreadful, but that sounds OTT even to me. Seriously, do you usually worry about things like this? So much so that you can't sleep. Things that are asbolutely out of your control?

That’s not terribly helpful. I completely understand where this comes from.

SilenceOfTheTimTams · 01/08/2025 19:12

The truth about Reform is that the right of the Tory party and the majority of the grassroots has always been Farage-ist. Which is a generally unappealing look.

That’s why the sensible big hitters in the Tory party have always shunned Farage, Lee and the like.

In that way Farage is to the Tories as Corbyn is to Labour. Tory grassroots have always been very right-wing. Labour’s grassroots have always been bonkers left-wing.

The big real-world difference is that Farage is more in-tune with and sellable to UK voters than is a weirdo like Corbyn.

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